What Are You Seeing Too Much Of From Producers?

[Bluestone]

Often producers hear feedback about what customers want to see more of, but what are your pet peeves about what you don't want to see? What ruins a video for you? For me, one of my pet peeves are tats all over a girl's body once she starts to disrobe. What an incredible turn-off! I mean a few tasteful ones are okay, because almost every girl these days sadly has some ink, or as I call it graffiti, on her... yes, even some of my most beautiful actresses.

What about you? What are you seeing producers doing that you don't like? Is there something that kills it for you, whether it be the way the hands are held in hand strangles, the location of the bullets, or the type of knives used in stabbings.

This is a general question, not limited to my productions or meant for my information or use only. I think all producers can benefit... and therefore benefit their customers... by knowing what not to do as well as catering to what people want to see.

Any takers?

Blue

[Pennpaul]

Good question, Bluestone. However, if they don't buy videos, how do they know what they don't like? Please note the absense of reviews as an indicator that responses may not be as forthcoming as expected.
Perhaps you would rephrase with a listing of hints as you stated yours
Example

1. Victims w/tattoes (perps are ok)
2. Same and redundant location
3. Nudist colony too much (clothes are erotic)

etc.

One of mine is the unending machinegun/pistol. Why don't they ever run out??

4p

[xj900uk]

I'm not a great fan of tattoo's either. However I do believe there seems to be too much necrophilia from the Producers, OK I know some specialize in it but it does seem a bit OTT...

[smudger]

Personally I really don't want any porn element. Though presumably it helps sales or they wouldn't do it. But it's not good for me and I don't think I'm alone on that. There is no end of porn if that is what you want. No point in putting it into the necro vids. I really don't want to see some other guys bits, real turn-off. Tats I can live with though better without. And as 4P says, unrealism like guns that never run out of ammo.... though I think Chris corrected that after Boutique of Crime part 1, lol.... oh, and actresses who smile when they are supposed to be dying.

[Max5s]

I would like to echo smudger's remarks. The hardcore material often includes elements of humiliation and suggests that the victims are little more than receptacles (borrowing a bit from Kelli) of the lust of dimwitted males. Definitely not my cup of tea.

[Metallas]

I agree with Smudger... Porn is not really necessary. Take for example W.A.V.E or Bluestone's videos. Excellent videos without any graphic sex.

[dirtyharry]

I totally agree with Smudger: I really hate the porn element in the erotic death videos!

[xj900uk]

There's a place for it and I know some people here prefer it, but I prefer nothing more than an innocent 'girl next door' being bumped off in one of various ways. Which doesn't involve her being in any pre or post porn situation

[Metallas]

I really hate the porn element in the erotic death videos!

Harry, it is called erotic, so some use of porn is excusable, but it seems more and more producers want to use it excessively in order to increase the sales. Ok... acceptable, but they should also make once in a while a pure death fetish vid.

[Tkiller]

I too have no use for the necro sex. If I ever wanted to see blow jobs, there are thousands of free videos on the internet to watch. It is the death fetish that is hard to find. I can see why combining the two would help sales, but you asked for my opinion. I am also not interested in skinny women who look like stick figures. I like fuller figures, and good looking clothing.
Another pet peeve is poor reactions to getting shot. No clutching or even a look of shock. Poor effects or more specifically just dots used to represent shots are a bit weak. Okay at one time but everyone should be able to do better special effects now.

[taurusjds]

Seems a pattern is setting here and elsewhere exposing the fact among some of us anyway --- gratuitus sex early on in the fantasy and or stripping of clothing before the fantasy death is not exactly what we are all looking for in this venue. "Adult looking" women with fuller figures dressed well and meeting their demise in a "real world situation and environment" is appreciated and sought after when making a purchasing decision -- from my perspective. Customs are what they are and we can't influence those productions but I hope enough pressure (comments) are brought to bare to get back to the basic fantasy with limited porn and if so be it - that gratification cums at the end after the demise.

[Pennpaul]

Other than the gratuitous mention of Silk Videos and W.A.V.E., there seems to be a lack of examples supporting opinions. Actually Silk Videos has been guilty of the unending bullet stream is several videos.

Perhaps y'all fail to acknowledge that the storyline is perp motivation. Hired killers don't do sex unless specified in the contract. More often than not violent crime is sexual. So perp motivation is always an issue.

Back to the topic at hand
Unless a producer used explicit dialog, what you hear is what you get. Bad acting is lack of experience. One of my regulars just doesn't get it. Another started weak but has blossomed greatly. Some of the ladies a fantastic right out of the starting gate.

Victor Buono (the STRANGLER) may be a case for the majority POV. Methodical murder, no sex except that implied by stripping a cupie doll.

Then of course there is PSYCHO

4P

[xj900uk]

It's true that the majority of Silk videos are shooting ones but he does do the odd different one - IMO Blue's 'The Party's Over' which has poor Petra dunk-drowned in a large cocktail bowl is one of the best he's ever done! And recently Blue has been doing a series of strangling ones in collaboration wiht UKSG.

[Peter]

I have certainly been guilty of Pennpaul's gripe of "same and redundant location". My production schedule required me to shoot as many as 15 videos a week and get it all edited in time for the next week when another 15 videos had to be produced. And all that had to be done on a shoe string budget that many producers would spend on a single video. So such things as varying the shooting location or even making anything but very simple changes to the stage set I was using was simply out of the picture (usually).

In defence of those producers who do 'porn' in their videos, I never did, and I paid the price big time. Those producers who do porn outsell my videos that do not by a factor of at least ten to one! And it is not because my actresses aren't as pretty or that their acting or my shooting/editing is sub par, I've produced more videos than most and I do it as well as the best.

What people talk about in forums and say affects their purchase decisions does NOT reflect the reality of what actually gets purchased. If you ask people in a forum how important nudity is, most people will 'say' that it is not, or that some clothing is erotic, or whatever. But time and time again, producers have learned from experience, that the more nudity and the more explicit, the higher the sales.

Why it is that what people say in forums belies our sales experience, I cannot say. But if there is any producer who doubts it, I give you this challenge. Shoot two videos of the same actress, make them identical videos in every way, except in one video there is lots of explicit nudity and in the other she is wearing lingerie. Put them up side by side for sale at the same price. I guarantee you the one with the explicit nudity will outsell the clothed one ten to one.

[taurusjds]

Peter,
And what a shame that is that nudity does win out -- I suspect. I did get tired of Playboy after a while (certainly over exposded to nudity from all those mags in my youth). Now a woman's underthings, nice clothing or loungerie is more exciting --- it seems to me. I appreciated it in this venue and reserve my purchases to those producers who go the extra mile in that regard re the dress of the fantasy victim (SILK OR SATIN PREFERRED). I of course do not represent the majority who must have them naked and seem to speak with their wallets!!