Introducing "The Deathtrap Show" podcast

[Deathtrap]

Here is the premiere episode of "The Deathtrap Show" podcast. Like most podcast start-ups we are starting small until we get a little more comfortable with the format. I'm putting this here rather than the Producers' section because even though we'll initially be talking about our own stuff, we hope to soon branch out and be talking to other producers, performers, and people in the community. All done with a sense of humor and never getting too serious.

[Bluestone]

My concern is that, as with a previous podcast, the audience will include non-community members and therefore bring unwanted attention to our community. I, as a producer who does not want to bring undue attention to my work from the general public, would certainly not be interested in contributing to, or being associated with, this podcast. Not sure what other producers think about this issue, but that's my opinion.

Trying to explain ourselves to those without the fetish is doomed to failure, and may well spawn more of the type of trolls who shut down Fetnoir!

Blue

[JohnM]

I concur.

[Nyghtfall]

+1

[xj900uk]

My concern is that, as with a previous podcast, the audience will include non-community members and therefore bring unwanted attention to our community. I, as a producer who does not want to bring undue attention to my work from the general public, would certainly not be interested in contributing to, or being associated with, this podcast. Not sure what other producers think about this issue, but that's my opinion.

Trying to explain ourselves to those without the fetish is doomed to failure, and may well spawn more of the type of trolls who shut down Fetnoir!

Blue

Sorry Blue, but I take the opposite view, as I think you know.
If we shut ourselves off as almost secluded sect, then it invites suspicion and a belief from jo public that we actually have something 'sinister' to hide. I would rather get it out there in the ether, so that people can see we have a creative fantasy and it is nothing more. If we are open, honest and upfront (OK I accept that memebers can still remain anonymous and hide behind on-line handles and ID's, but they are so widespread that there is nothing sinister in that) then people can actually understand us better. It is only silly sods like the Trolls with nothing better to do than annoy other people who take ammunition from coming across a secretive community that they decide to go and do more digging and irritating.

[Nyghtfall]

Sorry Blue, but I take the opposite view, as I think you know.

xj, I write this with the greatest degree of respect I can muster for you at the moment: Fuck. You.

Whoever drove FN into hiding two years ago threatened to come after me that year. I don't ever want that kind of heat again.

No one who isn't actively searching for fantasy death fetish content should ever know we exist, despite the fact that we have nothing to hide or prove. We know we're a fun-loving bunch of law-abiding perverts. We don't need to proactively ensure Joe Public knows that.

[JohnM]

Ditto

[Awol Nate]

XJ, we don't need anyone else to understand. Nothing is to be gained trying to make other people understand our fetish, and everything could be lost. Please use caution. I don't want anyone on this board or FN who doesn't appreciate our fetish. I could care a less about those who don't get it. I do not need them.

[Joshua_Sharpe]

Trying to explain ourselves to those without the fetish is doomed to failure, and may well spawn more of the type of trolls who shut down Fetnoir!

Blue

Once again (viewtopic.php?p=145964#p145964), this is just a head-in-the-sand misunderstanding of what is going on in the space of kink, fetish, and fantasy. That being said, where this sort of stuff gets a better hearing is when it's embedded in the broader context of competent discussions of the science and psychology of sex and the like, rather than just being like - "hey look at my fetish". I've linked these before, but two examples from podcasts which are NOT focused on our kink, it's just one of many things they've explored:

From the "taboo science podcast", a discussion with two experts that ranges from literal necrophilia to more fantasy stuff: https://www.tabooscience.show/009-necrophilia/

From the American Sex podcast, an episode with a guy who sexually fantasizes about his own death (IIRC, inspired by some old Batman & Robin stuff involving evil nurse babes): https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/amer ... m-20480892

[JIMBO]

I would rather get it out there in the ether, so that people can see we have a creative fantasy and it is nothing more.

I think you seriously overestimate the "understanding" that the general public is willing to put forth for our admittedly unusual fetish.

Jimbo

[JohnM]

There will always be those in the community (interestingly always the same few) who think they are helping the majority by forcing their perspective about the fetish on the general public so that they can feel better about themselves. It is a completely self-serving concept. There is no evidence that existing as a simple fetish community (like the 10K plus other fetishes) and letting people who are interested in the fetish organically come to us ever created any issues like extreme stress for the community members or causing doxing and the removal of content in response to absolute fear of having ones lives blow up. However there is plenty of evidence of the opposite. I am just convinced that these folks who persist despite the evidence and pleas from their peer not to have some sort of phycological issue that blocks them from hearing what we are saying to them. Or, this is once again a slow, attempt to do what was done before--to purposefully cause harm. I am gleefully waiting for the next response telling the majority how irrational they are and that what has happened in the past did not really happen. I mean, after all, what are facts then just something to deny.

[Deathtrap]

Jesus Fucking Christ on a pogo stick! None of this has anything to do with my podcast. At no point have I said that this project was to explain this or any other community to the world. I'm not going to have fucking psychologists on debating the root causes of various sexual obsessions. Who would even want to watch that? Answer: Nobody! Deathtrap Films is a small low budget filmmaking business that makes damsel in distress films primarily in the style of late 70s and early 80s grindhouse. A good percentage of our films have hardcore violence and death which is why I am here representing. The purpose of the podcast is to raise the profile of Deathtrap Films. It is also to help create a community for people who like this sort of thing. It is not to reach out and explain anything to normies. Normies don't buy my movies.

[xj900uk]

Jesus Fucking Christ on a pogo stick! None of this has anything to do with my podcast. At no point have I said that this project was to explain this or any other community to the world. I'm not going to have fucking psychologists on debating the root causes of various sexual obsessions. Who would even want to watch that? Answer: Nobody! Deathtrap Films is a small low budget filmmaking business that makes damsel in distress films primarily in the style of late 70s and early 80s grindhouse. A good percentage of our films have hardcore violence and death which is why I am here representing. The purpose of the podcast is to raise the profile of Deathtrap Films. It is also to help create a community for people who like this sort of thing. It is not to reach out and explain anything to normies. Normies don't buy my movies.

Sorry Mr Deathtrap, but we are not trying to annoy you or aggravate you in any way - this is a discussion which has been going on for some time and was actually getting quite... detailed (don't worry it was still civil) before the Trolls came along. In fact, you could argue that as a few tentative steps were being made to explain ourselves to the outside world (Tostig and his wife Sissi had a radio podcast show in the US where we tried to explain ourselves and our interests/fetishes/fantasies), all it did was just attract the Trolls to our community.
To be honest, I do not know if this is the case or not, and we probably will never know for sure.
But it is a debate we have been having amongst ourselves for some time. I accept I am in the minority with my PoV. And, do not worry, I have given my word I will not go selling or mentioning or discussing this or DD to anyone outside the community

[xj900uk]

Trying to explain ourselves to those without the fetish is doomed to failure, and may well spawn more of the type of trolls who shut down Fetnoir!

Blue

Once again (viewtopic.php?p=145964#p145964), this is just a head-in-the-sand misunderstanding of what is going on in the space of kink, fetish, and fantasy. That being said, where this sort of stuff gets a better hearing is when it's embedded in the broader context of competent discussions of the science and psychology of sex and the like, rather than just being like - "hey look at my fetish". I've linked these before, but two examples from podcasts which are NOT focused on our kink, it's just one of many things they've explored:

From the "taboo science podcast", a discussion with two experts that ranges from literal necrophilia to more fantasy stuff: https://www.tabooscience.show/009-necrophilia/

From the American Sex podcast, an episode with a guy who sexually fantasizes about his own death (IIRC, inspired by some old Batman & Robin stuff involving evil nurse babes): https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/amer ... m-20480892

yes, mr Sharpe. We have actually had at least two separate approaches in the past (on FN) from psychology students who wanted to interview a few members, complete an online questionnaire form (yeah, I was one of the volunteers who took part, it was quite confidential and anonymous) because they genuinely wanted to try and study and understand our fetish. Also Grace took part in an interview with a journalist who reported her/our fetish interest in a magazine a few years back, people were a bit worried then but it did not appear to make any waves, in fact I wonder just how many people read it in the end

[JohnM]

The purpose of the podcast is to raise the profile of Deathtrap Films.

Wow. You mean for the last 26 years, I could have been promoting my content on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram (whenever those sites all started). Unbelievable...I might have been able to buy that lake house.

But seriously, no disrespect intended to your company or content. You have some great-looking and very stylized content that you want to get out there for those to see. (and some nice Vore props) I chose the path of minimal sales and no advertising outside the fetish bubble because of past experience and what happened to some other producers who tried. And before you say---but John, you make porn (and all the inferred prejudices about that), I shall point out I have been around a long time, with productions starting in 1998---no "porn" until after 2008 or so. So there has been a lot of content to market over the years. And I did--just within the community. I might be a little jealous when a studio gets some brief traction on social media, but it usually fizzles because that sort of exposure brings out the Karen's and Ken's. Just please, watch out for the community you enjoy promoting on.

Anyhow, I wish you all the luck.

JohnM