Are Messageboards too public

[Dalila di Capri]

Yes they are....

I did not think the idea that "Femmegore" wanted to only have paying members post was so horrible.

I respect was Geno has done with DS. He works hard at it and despite his many personality quirks tries to maintain order. He certainly has a zero tolerance for RL mingling of sex and violence, which as a RL survivor of an attack I appreciate.

The fact however that so many people post over there without any intention of ever buying any films...either ours or mainstream movies, is quite offensive to me. Many of these posters care nothing for the effects that their opinions may have on our genre, either economically or in terms of getting us in trouble.

There is one cheap fellew who stands out in my mind. I will not name him but he is always posting

"Oh yes...she should be bellybutton shot in a bikini with a single .22 caliber bullet..."

...but does this fellow ever actually buy a film?

He wrote me all sorts of messages when I came out in 2004...He wanted to email, chat, the whole bit...but where was his $30 for a 3 month membership to my site? It never came...and for goodness sake the guy is belly shooting fan...that is one of my main fantasy acts.

So yes I think it is fine for fans to be able to post for free...but perhaps there should be 2 levels: A limited level for non members and a more advanced level for members, producers, actresses etc...


I hope I am not upsetting too many of you...

Baci

[Max5s]

In many respects, I wish this whole genre, messageboards and all, was available only to paying members, but most of us don't really want to pay for memberships to half a dozens sites. And without open forums, we wouldn't grow very fast.

As far as adult content goes, well, some of the links lead to a lot of pics featuring some pretty explicit stuff.

[Peter]

I am probably not aware of all the nuances of your question. I do not care to delve too far into reading other threads to discern the full context. So I will paraphrase the question and answer that one. Are message boards too public a venue for adult content? Not if...

Not it they are properly constructed so that filter software can easily recognize them as being inappropriate content to anyone using a filter. (PICS rating, see: http://www.fosi.org/icra/ All adult webmasters should be aware of and use PICS ratings.) If an adult does not wish to be exposed to extreme material, they can easily filter such content out with a filter. Parents can also enable filters so their kids do not see this sort of material. Parents with kids who have not enabled filter software are the same as parents who let their kids stay out till four in the morning without supervision. (Censors want to shut the city down at nine PM.)

Will there still be some people viewing the content for whom it is inappropriate? Yes, just like there are still some kids on the street sometimes at three in the morning. But we cannot morally be held responsible for the irresponsibility of bad parents.

[Nyghtfall]

I already pay premium for the material I buy from producers. I visit message boards to freely discuss fantasy death fetishes with the community. I agree that steps need to be taken to more effectively hide the content that's shared on various forums from kids, but if anyone starts charging for access to their board, I'm gone. That includes the four that I frequent regularly: DS, FF, PKF, and PST.

[Dalila di Capri]

I already pay premium for the material I buy from producers. I visit message boards to freely discuss fantasy death fetishes with the community. I agree that steps need to be taken to more effectively hide the content that's shared on various forums from kids, but if anyone starts charging for access to their board, I'm gone. That includes the four that I frequent regularly: DS, FF, PKF, and PST.

Hi Nyghtfall,

You would be an example of a good customer. You pay for material and therefore are supporting the genre with your money, which is greatly needed and valued. No one is talking about limiting your posts.

I was talking about the people who think nothing of filesharing independent producers' material
for free as well as discussing very risky topics on these boards.

Clearly there is a diffrence between one and the other.

Baci

[Nyghtfall]

No one is talking about limiting your posts.

Ah. Thank you for clarifying.

[JohnM]

I would say no. Messageboards, forums, and blogs exist by the thousands. They contain subject matter of all ranges. With the exception of some celebrity forums, most are free. They are free because in most cases they exist to help promote or to facilitate community of individuals with a common interest. However, with little exception, memberships would hinder the growth of a forum--especially in this community. For this community to survive and prosper, new folks have to wonder in here from time to time. While a few might pay for the privilege, most would not. Most, will simply find a forum that does not require that. For instance, if this forum did---poof...gone, or very very slow.

I agree with Peter. As long as a webmaster follows that guidelines of the CIPA, your doing more then you need to anyhow. Simple keywords and a warning page is sufficient. Most browsers in their simplest form have child filters that will easily block this and other forums. If a minor circumvents it because of determination to see what is here, then, there is not much that can be done. In addition, simply add Robots.txt to the scripting and avoid webcrawlers, search engine and archive listing.

In reality, more damage would be done getting a merchant account to bill the membership that then would be subject to chargebacks from minors using parents cards to gain access.

JohnM

[EvilBilly]

I suppose another step that messageboards/forums could take would be to restrict content that is posted. No pictures depicting nudity and violence and no adult language. But would that cause more harm than good?

[JohnM]

Oh, I would definitely agree with enrollment to post. That does not stop minors from seeing photos.

On my forum, non-members can only view a few of the boards. They cannot post. I wish there was an option to make it so they cannot see images or links posted. That would be ideal.

Still, that would not stop a minor from registering, but taking that additional step may detour more. Honestly, I think it is hardly an issue. This community is so small compared to the mainstream porn world that instances of that are going to be minute in comparison.

If your a minor and your on this forum, I am sad that your parents are not more involved in your life.

JohnM

[Nightposter]

Gentlemen,
The topic here is:
Are Messageboards too public?

Both of you, Play nice, Stick to the topic at hand.
Quit bringing up things from other boards.

If you must continue bringing up the past take it to private messaging.

Consider both of you warned!

[Nightposter]

On my forum, non-members can only view a few of the boards. They cannot post. I wish there was an option to make it so they cannot see images or links posted. That would be ideal.

Only Members can post here, non members can not see attachments, additionally, only members can view the Video share forum.

Still, that would not stop a minor from registering, but taking that additional step may detour more. Honestly, I think it is hardly an issue. This community is so small compared to the mainstream porn world that instances of that are going to be minute in comparison.

If your a minor and your on this forum, I am sad that your parents are not more involved in your life.

JohnM

[kevin67]

I read both of these posts (TPAP Woes and KHP , The Truth On The Lies) and I see no real connection between the question asked and Pemmpaul's explanation or evidence (whatever).

The KHP thread was locked and should not have been brought up. The flame war should not have been brought up either, since Pennpaul you admit it is unimportant, then why mention it?
The topic question was a very good one, but the threads are definitely off topic and we should get back on the topic at hand.

Paul- Since Geno is not in the mix anymore and therer is no need to connect him with this thread. If he did engineer the thread, then it is better if we ignore it.

In my own opinion, both DS and FF claim to be boards which, for the most part, promote free speechand that concept should be preserved .I agree with Pennpaul that underage people should not have access to the materials posted on FF or Bluestone Video. I don't write scenarios for the under 18 crowd, and I don't believe that Pennpaul does either. Many of the youth of today have a great working knowledge of the computer and can find ways to tune into the site, even if they are pay sites.

I also agree with John M that it's hard enough to get a credit card company to accept us as customers, even when we are disguised as something else. Adults should have some place to express themselves without feeling that minors are watching over their shoulders, and they shouldn't have to pay for that privilage.


WARNING

Now I am going to issue a warning of my own, and I plan to have zero tolerance. Get back on topic or I will simply shut it down.

[Den-CnB]

Regarding the original topic it was addresses under COPA:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_Onli ... ection_Act

Child Online Protection Act
From Wikipedia,

Not to be confused with Children's Online Privacy Protection Act, abbreviated "COPPA".
The Child Online Protection Act[1] (COPA)[2] was a law in the United States of America, passed in 1998 with the declared purpose of restricting access by minors to any material defined as harmful to such minors on the Internet. The United States federal courts have ruled that the law violates the constitutional protection of free speech, and therefore have blocked it from taking effect. As of 2009, the law remains unconstitutional and unenforced.The law was part of a series of efforts by US lawmakers legislating over Internet pornography. Parts of the earlier and much broader Communications Decency Act had been struck down as unconstitutional by the Supreme Court; COPA was a direct response to that decision, narrowing the range of material covered. COPA only limits commercial speech and only affects providers based within the United States.

COPA required all commercial distributors of "material harmful to minors" to restrict their sites from access by minors. "Material harmful to minors" was defined as material that by "contemporary community standards" was judged to appeal to the "prurient interest" and that showed sexual acts or nudity (including female breasts). This is a much broader standard than obscenity........

Dennis

[Bluestone]

Just back from a weekend out of town with limited Internet access.

As you may know, I recently changed the "Pulped Fiction" story forum to board member only access, just like the "Video Share" forum. Of course, these areas are still free, since board membership is free, but board membership is also restricted to adults.

Let's look at Peter's super gallery of photos that was recently posted on this forum. Who feels that explicit photos such as this should be moved and in future be posted on the "Video Share" forum, which could be renamed the "Video and Image Share Forum"? I agree that the main discusions should be open to the public, but perhaps explicit photos should be posted on a board members only area of the site.

Comments?

Blue

[Peter]

Let's look at Peter's super gallery of photos that was recently posted on this forum. Who feels that explicit photos such as this should be moved and in future be posted on the "Video Share" forum, which could be renamed the "Video and Image Share Forum"?

I'm down with that.