Geno Lied and Altered My Post

[Indrid Cold]

After banning me on DS, he added the word "bitch" to my last post and made it sound like I was addressing Sandi rather than him. He also suggested that I said I was taking drugs, which I never did.

I went to Fetnoir to explain the situation and clear my name, and Julia X, currently acting as webmaster in Grace's stead, keeps deleting my posts and telling me I may only send a private message to Geno.

[Indrid Cold]

He has since deleted both my last post (the one he altered by adding "bitch") and the post announcing my suspension (which included the inference to drug-taking). However, the damage has been done, as far as I am concerned. He has crossed the line. I will NEVER again post on DS unless he admits to what he did.

[Indrid Cold]

And now he has restored the post, sans the "bitch", and made it its own thread to once again announce my suspension.

This is the message as I originally posted it: "If you're not going to delete this f***ing thread, then please stop f***ing bumping it and keeping it going on. I'm sick of this sh*t!"

This is the message as altered by Geno: "If you're not going to delete this f***ing thread, then please stop f***ing bumping it bitch and keeping it going on. I'm sick of this sh*t!"

His original follow up message implied that I was addressing Sandi and that I said I was "taking hits" of something that was influencing my behavior.

He's suspended me for 7 days but it may as well be 7-million days. I'm never going back to DS unless he admits what he did. It's too late for him to try to cover his tracks. He's exposed himself as that same old slimy Geno.

[Indrid Cold]

Got to love this one: "DS Rule 2- B (No Posting to Attack a Member) No member may create a post anywhere on the DeadSkirts open boards, that is personally critical of another DeadSkirts member, for the purpose of embarassment, conflict, demands, slander, threats, revenge or harassment."

Not only did he blatantly violate his own rule by attempting to cause me embarrassment and generate conflict, the idiot doesn't know the difference between slander and libel. You can't slander on a message board, as it is text, not verbal. (He can't even spell "embarrassment" correctly.)

[Nyghtfall]

Anyone who keeps posting on DS, in spite of how they feel about Geno and how he's treated them before, has no one but themselves to blame for continuing to give him the fuel he craves for his ego.

My last post there was nearly 4 years ago. I don't miss DS, or him. He's also the only user on my ignore list here.

[Bluestone]

I agree. In fact, Geno always says that the exit door from DS is always open... taunting those who just can't seem to stay away... and there are many of them. Perhaps, there was an excuse when DS was the only message board in town, but FF and Fetnoir and others have been around for a long time now... so that excuse became invalid about 9 years ago. That's right, Femme Fatalities was founded March 1st, 2008. So, since then Geno's monopoly ended... but still DS members complain... leave... go back... complain... are booted out... go back... and so the cycle continues.

Producers may be the one exception. They feel that they have to post ads there to sell enough videos to keep going. So, it makes sense that they keep going back. I also advertise there, but haven't for long stretches of time without seeing any drastic drop in sales. Although I still post ads there, I no longer get involved in all of the crap that takes place there... no... that's for suckers!

As for Geno being on this board now, that's because he's earned the right. He's followed the rules here, so he's welcome to come and go as he pleases. What he does on his board is not our business. If he wants to break his own rules, that's his prerogative. After all, it's his sandbox... not yours and not mine.

Just sayin'.

Blue

[Grace X]

The cycle you speak of, Blue, can be all too true both in fantasy life and real life. It's not something that can change without a real desire to be a participant in change, and that is always, to my mind, a two way street. It can look a lot of different ways. The two best ones I can think of are to stay away from conflict when you find yourself in a place of being hurt or troubled, or change the paradigm.

When you are hurt, turn around and heal something. When you are angry, find a place or person you can offer calm to. It doesn't have to be aimed toward the person who you felt hurt and angered you. But you are taking what you felt was a negative in your life and instead of engaging with it, you change it, by your own actions, into a gift of positivity for someone, somewhere.

When I have the poise to offer what energy to the world I can in that way, I feel better about both myself and the world. Sometimes I crash and burn in the process, to be sure...but then amazingly I look up from flat on my back and there are the people I did my best to be kind to, right there offering to help me up.

That's the world, both online and in real life, that I want to live in.

[Chris B]

I took a couple of days off from posting but I am going to post a reply here. Without saying anything negative(unlike previous posts on this subject) I agree with Nyghtfall. If you have a problem with DS, or it's Dictatorship, don't post there. I have been friends with the owner for a while, and like most friends we have had our ups and downs. I genuinely feel he is a decent human being, he sometimes lacks tact in public, severity depending on where he is posting. You just have to pick your battles, because there really isn't middle ground when it comes to "his" fetish, which is defined by what he sees fit as fetish. You already know I am one of those community members that feels like you can not label "my" fetish as pure, or not. What is pure to one man/woman, is not to another. I think he also feels this is a man's fetish, which I disagree with but that is his opinion, and on his board he can say and do what he likes. I still think the key is trying to not let opinions of others get you down, or control how you enjoy your fetish.

As far as producers and advertising, I am with Blue. Posting on various boards doesn't always increase your sales. I have noticed over the years the main hub of advertising is private, and bulk emailing provided by the service a bunch of us use to sell our wares. I feel like the boards might boost your sales by 5% tops, which is great, but not at the expense of spending your whole rest of your life arguing about what is right and wrong, good or bad, etc. The conclusion on the various message boards will be different, and with DS a disagreement could lead to a "vacation" or a "ban" (even ban for life) which is decided by one person who is emotionally attached to their own proprietary place that they have worked to build and make their house. Even if you have tons of people over to your house you still have to run it as yours, and have to clean up every once in a while. The other boards don't really have this type of open door/closed door policy and the negative stigma that is, "the exit door is always open". I mean if that is the mission statement of a business or entity, then it should be taken as that from the beginning.

There are so many wonderful, imaginative, and caring people in this community, it has always surprised me that one or two people out of a couple to a few thousand members of a village or community can have this type of effect on the village as a whole. I mean DS can be a fun and interesting place if you remember the unsung rules of engagement. They can and will change to suit what the owner wants with a blanket claim that "our members come to DS to escape all the pornography, and because it has the most traffic. but I think a select few keep going back to that place because they love drama, and enjoy what it brings them. I have known many people in fantasy and RL who tent to trend this way.

I very recently had an altercation with the same person, and though my "in the now" Chris wanted to run away and hide, and cut the person off from being able to contact me for a while, I thought about the big picture, the good times, the laughs, and long strolls on the beach(oh wait, no wrong person).

Is this a perfect world that is free from one person's opinion, or actions, affecting a good portion of an entire community's opinions or actions? No, it's never been that world, it is what we make it , and if you let someone outside of your own RL bubble control your emotions in a fantasy world(I have been so guilty of this and live up to that stigma often with my emotional outbursts)then you either like it, or don't know how to control your own emotions in public. Like I said I have been so guilty of this and have falling outs with all kinds of people in the community for one reason or another, but I do not hate them, even if I say I do. I can't hate, it is not in my nature, or metaphysical make-up. Same with Greed and envy. I do not use those against anyone, nor will I ever. We all have our psychological issues, I mean we are humans and that is not an opinion, just a fact. Everything in Fantasy is up to the interpretation of the person who has their own particular fantasy. I will still and always will protect that right for each and every community member, that is not for me to judge. The boards are almost like Churches in a way, if the Fantasy is "Religion", we all have our different denominations that make us who we are and what we identify with in our own fantasy. There is a freedom that comes with that, and no one can tell you what is right or wrong in your fantasy, even if they own the forum, or website you state your opinion.

The list of reasons I started Fetnoir (With Grace X, Kelli, and Othello, and of course Mick writing the code)and continue to support it fully are these, and quite simple actually:

1.) No RL misogyny
2.) No hatred
3.) No discrimination(within the law)of a member's fetish, because it is theirs and no one can take it away from them.
4.) No discrimination due to Sexual preference, orientation, religion, color, creed, or political affiliation
5.) No Dictator(We do have a queen though in Grace X who is by far the kindest and most diplomatic person I know in RL, or fantasy)but she does not Rule with an iron fist, she moderates the participation of members on the board, huge difference.

I also wanted to make a safe haven for female members of the community who were constantly told it is a "Man's Fetish", and they need to be submissive(as a woman should). This type of ancient and testosterone driven thinking is just archaic, and if you truly believe this you might want to look around you at all the folks that provide you with muse to enjoy your fantasies, or who you Role Play with, or maybe who birthed, raised, and wiped your butt your whole life. How can you try to keep someone under your thumb when they will be last ones you call for on your day of judgement.?

Like my long lost cousin James Brown said:

"This is a man's world
This is a man's world
But it would be nothing, nothing
Without a woman or a girl"

There is not a more true to life statement than this, and we should all embrace this when we take others and their fetish into consideration. This is just my opinion though..

Indrid Cold, I hope you can find some sort of balance. It has taken me a few years(and a mild heart attack) to get to where I need to be with my emotions in a fantasy world. I should spend all that energy creating things instead of trying to break them down. I am sorry you are having your posts deleted on Fetnoir, I did found, and help create this great private place to not be harassed, but I do not moderate or make the decisions for any of it. For the same reason I explained . If I made all the rules and decisions, it would just be another "One person's idea of what a death fetish fantasy board" should be. I know Julia X means well by what she is doing, and it might just be a miscommunication. I always ask all of the moderators about what to do, and the final decision is Grace X, like I said she is the only person I know who has using love and kindness as a keystone for all of her dealings and conversations and no one on the planet more loyal to each person and keeping their private conversations just that. I know so many of the things I wished I had not said over the years have been used against me on the board you are talking about where you were banned, but I still have to be honest and give my own opinion on the matter. I wish you good luck and hopefully things will smooth over like they usually do in this crazy community.

Randy Rooney

[Indrid Cold]

I genuinely feel he is a decent human being

There is NOTHING "decent" about commandeering a member's post and using it to make it look like that member said something he would never say and to attempt to incite greater conflict. This is the action of an extremely immature and/or sociopathic individual.

[Nyghtfall]

There is NOTHING "decent" about commandeering a member's post and using it to make it look like that member said something he would never say and to attempt to incite greater conflict. This is the action of an extremely immature and/or sociopathic individual.

That's part of why I left. During a discussion about porn and fetish, he tried putting words in my mouth by quoting me on something I never said, and then challenged me on it. That was the last straw for me.

As the saying goes, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

He will never get a third chance.

[Indrid Cold]

He LITERALLY put words I didn't write into my text.

I've put up with his library of inane rules and the ludicrous way he goes about enforcing them, but I WON'T put up with this.

[Geno]

Well, well it looks like little old Vladnos smoked you out of your hole. Vladnos has been trying to do that on Fetnoir for a better part of week. Like you said, Chris, you are not in charge of that message (thank goodness) and Julia is doing a fine job of putting out fires that Vladnos it attempting to start over on fetnoir. You are not in charge of that site, and I neither am I. You are saying if you are were in charge of Fetnoir, you would allow Vladnos to start anti-Geno fires, to bring out the anger, hate and division between those that love ("DeadSkirts") and those few that hate it. (like Superid).

The GraceX / Julia X team is in charge of that FN, and you may have ignored Grace when she said this above ......

When you are hurt, turn around and heal something. When you are angry, find a place or person you can offer calm to. It doesn't have to be aimed toward the person who you felt hurt and angered you. But you are taking what you felt was a negative in your life and instead of engaging with it, you change it, by your own actions, into a gift of positivity for someone, somewhere.

I'll bet you think what Grace X has posted is kinda silly, don't ya Chris? Come on Christopher , I am sure you have got a better idea of how to handle hurt than her method? When you feel hurt Chris B, you look for revenge, retaliation, and making others who have nothing to do the situation, feel anger and hurt too. Let's get started Mr. Brown and light some fires at locations and places where they could not care less about the management of DS, and yet have they hot embers thrown into their laps. No Christopher. Julia X is not going to let that happen. Maybe you would, but thank goodness you are not in charge of that website anymore. Vladnos knows he can't come on DeadSkirts and start spreading fires about Grace X or Julia X from FN. Those two women are our fellow webmasters ,moderators and are now protected members of DS with valid accounts. No one is coming from anywhere to post on DS and flame those two members.

I must be doing something right Christopher, because poor Juila X has been actively putting out fires started by Vladnos, but he knows better to than to even attempt it on DeadSkirts. No fires to put out on DeadSkirts, because his "Auto Stop Mechanism" works, it had better! It works fine when he thinking about overstepping that line. He will do that here and on FN. only As we have seen that is a limit FN will not let him cross.

Next on this list for you Christopher B, is for you not to worry about Nyghtfall. The very mention of my name Geno, as you can see, brings him like zombie to this thread. Nyghtfall has the audacity to tell Vladnos to stay away from a website. Nyghtfall is an aging old man is too afraid to look at my post....LOL, His blinders are . firmly in place, and his head firmly stuck in the sand. Yes, I am on his "foe list, because he is a burned out, broken shell, of his once virile self. He also the former owner of the long since defective, defunct, website he tried to counter DS with called "Deadly-Dreams.com" A site that was doomed to failure from the start. Many people visited him only to pat him on his buttocks, and say "great site" boy, and then walk right out of his back door never to return. A site he built with malice his heart and powered by dislike towards the members of DS. Even if DeadSkirts was under new management, I gave it up.. Nyghtfall would not return, because he lacks the energy and stamina to join additional boards. He said that himself in public. Nyghtfall has no business advising Vladnos to stay away from DeadSkirt when Vladnos likes the many of the members that are exclusively on DS, and subject matter that are centered on the fetish without the matter of xxx porn overshadowing it. Besides, he has much more stamina than Nyghtfall has and can handle and fast pace message board excitement.

Also as far as Vladnos is concerned, he would never put me on a Foe List..he wants to see every thing I say and do. Don't believe me, Try to convince him to put me on his Foe List here, Christopher Brown. Tell him now.

That is not why I am here, anyway. I see you still have a lot of anger and hate in your heart Chris. Currently spreading falsehoods and violating the trust we have in our private conversations Christopher. It would not be so bad if you quoted me correctly as you continue to violating that trust, Christopher Brown, but you are not. Well we shall get it straighten out now. I will give you some quotes from me you can stand by on this board, without violating privacy. Femme Fatalities is ran by a man who does not trust his members with editing powers beyond few hours. Fetnoir and DeadSkirts do trust there member with long term editing of their own post. So at least it won't change. We shall disregard your emblishment of the truth you have been posting here, and now you can quote me directly.

Fist of all "pure fetish" is term I do not use. That is your term. I used the term "fetish-only" videos. "Fetish only" are those are videos that use fetish elements only without the xxx-porn that you add to most of your oroducts. No video that I know is of pure fetish. DS member love having side-fetishes within their videos, from short skirts to long hair, to bondage, or catfighting, wet t-shirts, lingerie, and so on, all ending in fantasy female death. Use "fetish only' were when you referring to Geno, if you want to get right, Christopher Brown.

Next I never said this is a "man fetish". But now I that am here and, Christopher, I have some statement that I fully stand by on the subject. The video products that are made by today's custom producers are more geared toward "male fantasies" I said. Unless a female pays for a custom from scratch, she is going to buy completed videos and she often does not get what she wants. Before Kelli left us all forever never, ever to return, one her favorite fantasy was see a woman mortally wounded by a male and then comforted and held up and hugged by a man, until they woman died. In today's "fetish only" videos, that is almost a non existent scene in customs. "Comforting the women as she dies". Are you kidding, You disgard her like trash in most of the custom videos. Most women want to feel her squirm and moan a while, before their deaths, not get killed instantly like "The Silencers" or "Von Ryan's Express". I like instant death myself which most women don't share.

You talk about women hating (misogyny). In case you are unaware of it Christopher Brown, FF, FN, DFN and of course ("DeadSkirts") are fantasy boards. It's a time where our men and women can play , pretend , or imagine a character that hates and kills women, or thinks he is superior to women....but it's all in fantasy. If you can't separate that, then you should not be in this business. Don't talk about misogyny with my name, unless you are referring to fantasy only.

Now lets talk about your biggest weakness Christopher, and you have said in public. You have a bad temper, and you can not control it, because you have never get around to getting the real help and conditioning you need, to rid yourself of your hate and anger from within. I knew behind all that talk about firefighting training that you posted in public, and all the while, you were restraining some real anger and hateful feelings, just like a time bomb ready to go off if I or someone could hit the right, slight, combination. That is too bad, because I don't have those feelings inside that need restraining. I would be a worst man than you , if I had that much anger in me, I might not be able to restrain it as effectively as you do, even though you still rate below average (D+) when doing so.

Oh sure Grace X calms you down once in a while, when you blow your stack after the fact, but even then, it's still very bad. You have only cooled down for the time being. Inside you struggle everday day not to blow your temper. Are you stronger than me Christopher Brown with your restraint powers while suppressing that uncontrollable hate/anger? Answer....You probably are, but I have one BIG Advantage over you... I do not have the anger or hat urges within me , to restrain in the first place. Some people are on death row because of their temper.

You never here of me cussing out any of my members. A couple of members (like Vladnos) who is very undisciplined does not understand or like women in real life, will cuss me out from time to time. Vladnos will cuss me out on DS from time to time, and we have no choice but to put him on vacation. Vladnos is not a threat to DS. He behaves well for long periods of time, then for not apparent reason, he go will flying of the deep end. Next to my head moderator Jimbo, Vladnos is the most prolific poster on our site with more than 9,000 post. You have got to be in harmony to post that much and still not be considered a major problem over there.

Don't compare me with Grace X and Fetnoir, Mr. Brown. Each board is ran differently. Just like you are not in charge of Fetnoir, you most definitely are not in charge of ('DeadSkirts'). You shouldn't even be suggesting you are in charge of any of the main sites. The next time you said that you don't make decisions on Fetnoir, besure to add that you don't make decisions on FF, DFN or DS while you are at it. In fact, You are not running any website that is charged with promoting "fetish only" videos (no xxx porn!). On the other hand I am, and in keeping that goal on track , poses some unique problems.

("DeadSkirts") for the last few years is a board focused on the female death fetish, and not xxx porn. Because of it, we have to remind some producers and members not to promote that xxx stuff on our Website. Our members can view their porn products when they link over to the varies sites or go to NicheC.

I am telling you Chris, you have been trusted with certain private information about me, I expect you to stop posting that in public. Chances are if you do, it will be twisted and posted untrue information anyway, but even attempting it to expose private conversation, as you did here is appalling wrong , so please stop it. I was hoping that was something sacred with you. We shall see.

You don't make me angry Christopher but I do get very disappointed in you sometimes. No matter how I feel toward you, I would never violate your privacy either by repeating what you said in private or by what I happened to have knowledge of. I consider all of that trust, top secret and sacred, even if you don't.

Sincerley Geno

[Indrid Cold]

All I am asking is that you admit to what you did. (I deserved this particular suspension for attacking Foxx.) If you can be a man and admit to it, I will forgive you, and you will garner my respect. That is all ask.

members (like Vladnos) who is very undisciplined does not understand or like women in real life

I can't claim to understand them, but just because I eschew romantic relationships with them doesn't mean I don't like them. (In fact, the best people in my life have almost exclusively been women.)

[Chris B]

Geno. You need a hug, I totally understand that. I am so sorry you feel this way about me on so many levels, and I am also sorry that you have to draw your own conclusions from what people say to your reality. I understand why you do this and it just makes me feel bad. Not for anything I have done, but for what has been done to you to make you say these things. I understand though and it just reinforces what I posted above. I am not going to argue with you in public, or in private because it is a losing battle, even if we come to an agreement, it will be broken, violated, and all kinds of claims and accusations will fly out of nowhere. It goes along with the original post thread(".....Altered My Post"), regardless of who actually wrote it, or the beef you have with them.

As far as private conversations, I don't actually know what you are referring to because I can't find what I said that was held in secrecy. I mean if it is common knowledge if I repeat it, why is it violation? I am definitely not here to argue or cause more pain. If you really read my post you will see I do listen to Grace X, and do like to put things in the past and start the healing. I have had a great deal of animosity and anxiety built up over the years for many reasons, and have taken it out on most of the community at one time or another, even to the point of alienating paying customers that will never ever buy my films again because of our altercations and things said between us(the particular customer and myself).

If you are mad because I said in real life you are a nice, polite, and caring human being, I think a few people who really know you know that fact, and if you want to use it against someone in your posts, by all means. I am sorry if it ruins the thick, callous exterior that you portray. I would never ever sell you down the river or violate your privacy, that is not okay. I am also not going to dig up old bones from the same grave(with you as the digger).

It took me damn near 48 years to get to a point where I am growing up, being more responsible, taking responsibility for my actions and my words. I am not at all in denial that I still have a long way to go in the personal growth arena, but I am now sober since Christmas day(I have been drinking since I was 10)and have been really impressed with my will power lately. This is real life stuff that affects our fantasy profiles, business, and what we do or say on both levels. There is no such thing as "Fantasy Only" message board, we are all one person(with many or one fantasy profile). Of the 3 boards mentioned, they all have real topic threads. Just sayin'

I am going to wrap this up because I feel like there can be too much information, and I do not want to write anything that might be misconstrued as a private conversation, or like the original post about "altering people's words and drawing your own conclusions".

Also, I will say this that the things you say about me in public are pretty foul and most of it is just twisting things I say into your own conclusion. It has really pissed me off before, but I will say this, I am going to try really hard to not let your posts make me feel awful in real life like they have in the past. It is dirty and makes me feel really uncomfortable to be around the boards where you can post this type of response to an honest and level headed post because I am trying to grow and it is never too late to grow, learn, change, and be happy in Real Life so the fantasy world is better.

So I extend a hug and hope that you are well Geno, and everyone else as well. Christopher William Brown

[Geno]

In regard to Mr. Nyghtfall - Before we get started here, I want to say I will bet that is the end of Nyghtfall on this thread. A gag has been effectively stuck in his mouth over this thread. You see, he has me on his enemy/foe list. That means he can not see anything I post on this board, but I have been quoted by one poster, and you have responded to me directly in another Christopher W. Brown. Now he knows I am here, the fear factor sets in and he has "fled the thread". No one should let Nightfall tell them to stay away from any DS community website, when he can't control his own obsession with the name "Geno". Mention "Geno" in a negative light, he will come running to that thread, unless he know I am their, then he head goes right back in the sand.

You committed a bad hit and run after leaving me hanging. I came baring some visuals gifts for you eariler, you never got it either. I should have figured you couldn't handle what I told you occurred here.

It's just that Sometimes when you open fire on person, they are going to shoot back at you. I don't have to respond to your untruths about me. I just figured if I did, I could keep the record straight on the board, where a proprietor like Bluestone who does not trust his own members to edit a message pass a few hours, unlike Grace X of FN and Geno of DS who do trust their members to edit for much longer.

You ask what the problem if you post common public information I have shared with you in private. Nothing. Nothing at all ..if it true. When you go around saying I said this was a "man fetish" that is not true. So here on this board, I corrected that falsehood put out by your Christopher. I said the products put out my most producer are not gear toward female fantasies. A great deal of men love the misogynistic fantasies where a man kills an innocent women for no reason. Even I like a few of those fantasy woman hating themes..although in real life I love women very much. You made dozens of those types of videos fantasies yourself, both fetish only and xxx porn. Nothing wrong with it, unless you start crossing the line and venture into talking or suggesting that our DS members are somehow real woman haters... and trying to create "guilt trips" by suggestion all those countries out there that oppress their women, like China and Iran.

You are sorry I feel that way? Hey Christopher B. you know I am not out to get you. You know better than that. It just that Sometimes when you open fire on person, they are going to shoot back at you. I don't have to respond to your untruths about me. I just figured if I did, I could keep the record straight on the board, where a proprietor like Bluestone who does not trust his member to edit a message pass a few hours, unlike Grace X of FN and Geno of DS who do trust their members to edit for much longer.

You ask what's the problem if you post common public information I have shared with you in private. Nothing. Nothing at all ..if it was posted by me in public already. When you go around saying I said this was a "man fetish" that is not true. So here I am, on this board, to corrected that falsehood put out by your Christopher. I said the products put out my most producer are not gear toward female fantasies. A great deal of men love the misogynistic fantasies where a man kills an innocent women for no reason. Even I like a few of those fantasy woman hating themes..although in real life I love women very much. You made dozens of those types of videos fantasies yourself, both fetish only and xxx porn. Nothing wrong with it, unless you start crossing the line and venture into talking or suggesting that our DS members are somehow real woman haters.

You are sorry I feel that way? There is no other way I can feel, when you take the route of falsehoods with my private statements. True or false, you should not be exposing private conversation into the public. I am just saying as a well know public figure in our community, I Geno say , you can repeat what I have posted in pubic. If it's not there, then I did not say it. You should not be printing it in pubic anyway. For instance I have never said this a "man fetish". It a woman fetish, often different from what most men like. I did say the most of the video product are gear to "male fetishes". Even the never to return Kelli has public say, in your videos you rape and strangle a woman, then toss her aside like she is nothing more than a receptacle for semen! Yet you and I know that is the heartland of many men's fantasies. I only said it does not match most women's fantasies. I never said anywhere, on any board, the DS is a "Man's Fetish".

Geno, it is delightful to see you here (FF). I have indeed been hanging out happily over at DS, and I have been mightily impressed by your courtesy and thoughtfulness there, hon. As I said there and will tell the world, I have never doubted your essential good heart, and it is both fun and fulfilling to enjoy some of our shared passions together and exchange our thoughts again. As Blue quite rightly says, you are a pioneer of our community, and it feels wonderful to welcome you here as well as in your own house.

Don't worry about a thing from me Grace X. I am not going to do anything hasty. Like you said when you decided not to let Journalist Hays into your site.
"I did not invite journalist [Mr. Hays] to FN, even though I think he would be a very open-minded individual, but...(and I have a highly-tuned "judgment meter", lol). --- Grace X

Well My Dear Grace, you have long since turned that judgment meter on me, and it must have been giving you many positive results across the board, or you would not have embraced me and DeadSkirts so heartily. Some people see that illustration above and tell you in effect, that you are sleeping with the enemy, Grace. I have the perfect answer when you come upon that rare comment from an angry FN member or two....Here is a sample.

Superid would say: Grace X you are sleeping with enemy again. I think that is a contentious, rumination, of enervated, incompetence, with a failure to venerate the repugnance the totally of some at the FN's consortium. To beak it down to your level Grace X. Dogs and cats should not get along or being seen playing together.

Grace X: Well Sir, yes I am sleeping with him, but he isn't the enemy.

Geno