How long the death agony?

[badglrklr]

Realistically how long would a belly shot Badgirl be able to survive. I don't mean with a .22 or .25 but a .38 or above. Anyone have any ideas based on impirical evidence? Also wouldn't someone with 2-3 9MM or bigger rounds in their lower belly pass out from shock very quickly or from hydrostatic impact if shot close up? Inquiring minds want to know.

[Steph]

One of my bodyguards (former Australian SAS) spent some time clueing me in on various things I needed to know when we were in post in an Arab country in the early 90s. One was that there was no such thing as instantaneous death for combat purposes except for head and upper spine hits which destroyed motor control. Even there it took seconds for actual death to come. Very often the victims would be incapacitated before lapsing into unconsciousness but if you relied on that the consequences could be fatal.
If the flow of oxygenated blood to the brain is cut off on average I understand it takes twenty to forty seconds for hypoxia to set in. But some can function beyond that time if in the grip of rage, for example. During that time they are potentially dangerous although for the most part shock will neutralize them. But he told me if I was ever in that situation without defenders to keep on shooting until the target held no weapon and stopped moving!

Early in my career in Africa I helped out temporarily in a mission hospital during local troubles. Despite surgery I remember one gut shot woman who lasted several days before dying. Several others actually survived horrendous body wounds. On the other hand some with minor injuries just up and died on us for no apparent medical reason that the staff could find. I am told that being shot at or shooting someone changes people for ever. Perhaps those people couldn't cope with the idea of homicidal violence directed at them?

Wasn't there a western gunfighter shot more than twenty times with powder and ball era weapons in a gunfight who lived on into his nineties?

Fantasy is what we make it. In my stories I usually limit dying to a matter of a few seconds. Reality is intrinsically variable.

[TommyBailey]

Fantasy is what we make it. In my stories I usually limit dying to a matter of a few seconds. Reality is intrinsically variable.

The best part of this is the actress can make it however long and drawn out they wish, depending on what fits best with the scene. Sometimes more realistic is appropriate, other times an over-the-top dramatization.

As long as she's hot, I love it either way.

[stol]

mmm... i actually know about some controversial facts. or may be they are not so controversial. in one case one terrorist got something like 2 dozens of .22 pistol bullets in to his body. he is still in prison right now
then i know about another one, that got near 10 9mm rounds, and only then died. after 3-4 he was on the ground' but still moving.
5.56mm is petty lethal. it is small, but it's stopping ability is enormous.

[Rue Morgue]

Depends:

What the energy of the bullet is at impact: 38 and up covers a lot of ground. If it's a .50 BMG, then incapacitation is going to be pretty sudden. The energy, in turn, depends on mass, velocity and distance from the muzzle (which affects velocity) - projectiles tend to decelerate in flight.

Expansion Characteristics of Bullet: A full metal jacketed bullet may pass through with little or minimal damage. A soft or hollow pointed bullet mushrooms and releases all it's energy in the target. A lot of tissue damage can be done by a high energy projectile, but may not necessarily cause immediate death or even immediately incapacitate them.

Placement and Path of Bullet Inside the Body: If the belly shot hits and makes a big hole in the abdominal aorta, death is going to be pretty quick, but not instantly. Gutshot people can live a long time even without treatment.

Energy Level of Victim: Victims wired up on crank, cocaine, or PCP are harder to kill. They are pumping out lots of adrenalin and other hormones.

What is conventionally depicted in the fantasy videos in this genre is pretty sanitized compared to real life equivalents. I'm happy for that.

"The .50 Cal M2 BMG - Making red jelly of America's enemies Since 1944"

[Steph]

Guns like the Colt 1911 in the Philippines, and the Webley .455 I was issued in Africa were designed to stop a surprise attack dead by sheer impact with one hit anywhere, after the failure of the smaller pistols that had been standard issue. However as I've said elsewhere I could barely cock the Webley let alone shoot someone with it. I've toughened up a bit since then and I note that impact energy keeps going up with higher velocities and better ammunition. Yet people still survive and attack!

[slasherdude9999]

wow lots of interesting new facts! and most centering around my favorite target area :P
I unfortunately can't offer any expertise on firearms as they aren't really my thing. The most rudimentary knowledge I can throw in concerns the "Timetable of death" by William E Fairbairn. Though it concerns knife fighting and not ballistics it theorizes (I say that because unless they were doing research like unit 731 in world war 2 it kind of *has* to be theory:P) that strikes to the abdomen made for the longest time for the target to succumb. But as the information provided by people with better knowledge than me, depending on a number of factors and maybe even just sheer luck, anything is possible. And we'll go with that :) In terms of fantasy I like that explaination the best.

[LadyAsh]

For me, it is fantasy and it doesn't matter where I'm shot/stabbed, it takes me as long to die as we, myself and my killer, want. However unrealistic it may be. My being in the situations I am is also totally unrealistic so it is going with the flow. I want to writhe and jerk and gasp and moan before I kick the bucket. So, as it is my reality that I am dying in, I will last long enough to do just that. The reality of being shot in the belly is no turn on for me as it is messy, agonizing and not very erotic.

[Den-CnB]

Realistically how long would a belly shot Badgirl be able to survive. I don't mean with a .22 or .25 but a .38 or above. Anyone have any ideas based on impirical evidence? Also wouldn't someone with 2-3 9MM or bigger rounds in their lower belly pass out from shock very quickly or from hydrostatic impact if shot close up? Inquiring minds want to know.

This is empirical as one can get on stopping power (*stopping* one from continuing to shoot or cause harm to you). Note: stopping power and killing power are not the same... as hitting someone as hard as you can in their face with your fist will likely stop them but probably not kill them.

Pick your cartridge and bullet weight or all - note handgun barrel length is important - where longer is better to attain higher velocities.
http://www.handloads.com/misc/stoppingp ... ?Caliber=0

Dennis