Male deaths in customs

[CinemorgueFan]

What's the general consensus on male deaths in custom videos? I know they're uncommon, but I've seen them happen.

From what I've seen, some studios treat them no differently from female deaths, some studios try to avoid them, and some studios don't even seem to have male models.

I'm curious to know how frequently male deaths occur and if anyone likes to see them in customs, or at least doesn't mind them.

[Totallibertarianism]

What's the general consensus on male deaths in custom videos? I know they're uncommon, but I've seen them happen.

From what I've seen, some studios treat them no differently from female deaths, some studios try to avoid them, and some studios don't even seem to have male models.

I'm curious to know how frequently male deaths occur and if anyone likes to see them in customs, or at least doesn't mind them.

LOL I have another interesting question... What would happen if all fetish producers in our market replace all their females models to males models, and are no more intended for heterosexual like us but to males gays ?

=> There will be no more problem for "moralists" and feminists, and they will have 100 % approval by the financial institutions...

[CinemorgueFan]

LOL I have another interesting question... What would happen if all fetish producers in our market replace all their females models to males models, and are no more intended for heterosexual like us but to males gays ?

=> There will be no more problem for "moralists" and feminists, and they will have 100 % approval by the financial institutions...

Probably, but that would set off the right-wing groups and provocateurs who cry about feminist / LGBTQ agendas and more gullible schmucks would be conned into giving trolls their money.

I think DarkRooms has the right approach by treating male and female deaths equally. Even if there are less male death videos, they'll still film them the same as the female death videos. If seeing a guy murder a girl upset you, order a custom of her killing him! That's my philosophy with customs - if you really hate it, order a sequel that puts things the way you want them to happen.

[Totallibertarianism]

I think DarkRooms has the right approach by treating male and female deaths equally. Even if there are less male death videos, they'll still film them the same as the female death videos. If seeing a guy murder a girl upset you, order a custom of her killing him! That's my philosophy with customs - if you really hate it, order a sequel that puts things the way you want them to happen.

This is the question and the debate that I already launched here.

Do the mainstream movies treat men and women characters equally in the story and scripts they make in Hollywood ? => The answer : No

Do men characters in the mainstream movies die more often than women characters ? => The answer : Yes.

In the mainstream movies, who die the most of the time in a atrocious/graphic/horrible manner, men characters or women characters ? => The answer you already know it (that's why this forum and our community exist) the answer : men characters, watching women characters suffering atrociously before dying in the mainstream movies are still rare today. Watching men dying atrociously in the mainstream movies are more common for the public.

And also why in the mainstream movies in general, the main woman character has always to be sexy and hot ? (Nicole Kidman, Jennifer Lawrence, Melissa Benoist, Charlize Theron, Rene Russo, Scarlett Johansson, Lucy Liu, Jennifer Aniston, Rosamund Pike etc... etc...).

Why in the mainstream movies in general, men characters play often the main hero and the most responsible character of the movies ?

Yes, the stories and the scenarios in the mainstream movies in the world are often in favor of women characters, women characters are still in a "protected situation" like minors or disabled persons. They die less than men characters and end up tragically less than men characters in the stories made by mainstream movies. Unfortunately, this is the real sexism we are living in this world !

*Gender equality means also "responsibility", women and men have to be equal in responsibility, which means women have to face the same consequence of their actions as the men. There should be no favoritism !

[CinemorgueFan]

This is the question and the debate that I already launched here.

Do the mainstream movies treat men and women characters equally in the story and scripts they make in Hollywood ? => The answer : No

Do men characters in the mainstream movies die more often than women characters ? => The answer : Yes.

In the mainstream movies, who die the most of the time in a atrocious/graphic/horrible manner, men characters or women characters ? => The answer you already know it (that's why this forum and our community exist) the answer : men characters, watching women characters suffering atrociously before dying in the mainstream movies are still rare today. Watching men dying atrociously in the mainstream movies are more common for the public.

And also why in the mainstream movies in general, the main woman character has always to be sexy and hot ? (Nicole Kidman, Jennifer Lawrence, Melissa Benoist, Charlize Theron, Rene Russo, Scarlett Johansson, Lucy Liu, Jennifer Aniston, Rosamund Pike etc... etc...).

Why in the mainstream movies in general, men characters play often the main hero and the most responsible character of the movies ?

Yes, the stories and the scenarios in the mainstream movies in the world are often in favor of women characters, women characters are still in a "protected situation" like minors or disabled persons. They die less than men characters and end up tragically less than men characters in the stories made by mainstream movies. Unfortunately, this is the real sexism we are living in this world !

*Gender equality means also "responsibility", women and men have to be equal in responsibility, which means women have to face the same consequence of their actions as the men. There should be no favoritism !

That's not the case from what I've seen.

The first movie I saw this year was Spider-Man: No Way Home. The only major death (and really, the only death I remember in the entire movie) is female. She dies tragically after trying to stop one of the male villains. Even all of the male villains survive - and the movie proceeds to undo the deaths of three of them from previous movies.

In Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, the only member of the Illuminati who doesn't get killed is male. And while Black Bolt and Mr. Fantastic have grisly deaths, I think most people would find Captain Carter got it the worst - it caught my friend off-guard in the theater. To top it off, you have a female side character who sacrifices herself to save one of the male heroes.

Black Panther: Wakanda Forever has a high female death count, courtesy of both warring factions employing women into their militaries (right down to the Wakandan's exclusively female unit). And like Spider-Man: No Way Home, the only major death is female, sacrificing herself to save another from danger. The male antagonist, again, survives. (T'Challa's death doesn't count because that was due to the real-life death of Chadwick Boseman.)

Halloween Ends certainly didn't opt for a younger, mainstream female heroine. The heroine has to take on the villain without male help - the male love interest / police officer doesn't arrive until the villain is defeated.

I know Terrifier 2 doesn't really qualify as mainstream, but it was still released to theaters and has plenty of grisly male and female deaths - like the first, probably the most grisly is female. It also has a female heroine trying to protect her younger, male sibling and temporarily dies doing so.

The only film I saw in theaters this year that did have this disparity was the new Scream - five female survivors to one male survivor - but at the same time, the female villain gets a more gruesome death than the male villain.

There has been a disparity before, which is why a TV Tropes page exists on this subject, but I'm not seeing it as often as I once did.

Nonetheless, death fetish will always prioritize the female because that’s what porn and fetish have always prioritized. I guess it’s just part of human DNA, which is where this forum and community derives from.

[Max5s]

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I'm curious to know how frequently male deaths occur and if anyone likes to see them in customs, or at least doesn't mind them.
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Regarding customs or regular productions of a fetish nature:
I can only speak for myself, but I have no interest in seeing male victims. I'm not that wild about men as the killers either. For those that want them, have at it. It's your money.

[CinemorgueFan]

Regarding customs or regular productions of a fetish nature:
I can only speak for myself, but I have no interest in seeing male victims. I'm not that wild about men as the killers either. For those that want them, have at it. It's your money.

I can't speak personally on either subject from a fetish angle, even if male killers tend to be the norm. What I wonder is if it's more frequent for male victims to result from wanting to have power over men or fantasizing being the male victim.

Personally, male deaths don't appeal to me from a fetish nature, but appeal to me from a catharsis angle when the man is the villain. It's not sexually satisfying, but emotionally satisfying for the murderer to snuff it instead of being a Karma Houdini. Real life is depressing enough.

[Totallibertarianism]

This is the question and the debate that I already launched here.

Do the mainstream movies treat men and women characters equally in the story and scripts they make in Hollywood ? => The answer : No

Do men characters in the mainstream movies die more often than women characters ? => The answer : Yes.

In the mainstream movies, who die the most of the time in a atrocious/graphic/horrible manner, men characters or women characters ? => The answer you already know it (that's why this forum and our community exist) the answer : men characters, watching women characters suffering atrociously before dying in the mainstream movies are still rare today. Watching men dying atrociously in the mainstream movies are more common for the public.

And also why in the mainstream movies in general, the main woman character has always to be sexy and hot ? (Nicole Kidman, Jennifer Lawrence, Melissa Benoist, Charlize Theron, Rene Russo, Scarlett Johansson, Lucy Liu, Jennifer Aniston, Rosamund Pike etc... etc...).

Why in the mainstream movies in general, men characters play often the main hero and the most responsible character of the movies ?

Yes, the stories and the scenarios in the mainstream movies in the world are often in favor of women characters, women characters are still in a "protected situation" like minors or disabled persons. They die less than men characters and end up tragically less than men characters in the stories made by mainstream movies. Unfortunately, this is the real sexism we are living in this world !

*Gender equality means also "responsibility", women and men have to be equal in responsibility, which means women have to face the same consequence of their actions as the men. There should be no favoritism !

That's not the case from what I've seen.

The first movie I saw this year was Spider-Man: No Way Home. The only major death (and really, the only death I remember in the entire movie) is female. She dies tragically after trying to stop one of the male villains. Even all of the male villains survive - and the movie proceeds to undo the deaths of three of them from previous movies.

In Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, the only member of the Illuminati who doesn't get killed is male. And while Black Bolt and Mr. Fantastic have grisly deaths, I think most people would find Captain Carter got it the worst - it caught my friend off-guard in the theater. To top it off, you have a female side character who sacrifices herself to save one of the male heroes.

Black Panther: Wakanda Forever has a high female death count, courtesy of both warring factions employing women into their militaries (right down to the Wakandan's exclusively female unit). And like Spider-Man: No Way Home, the only major death is female, sacrificing herself to save another from danger. The male antagonist, again, survives. (T'Challa's death doesn't count because that was due to the real-life death of Chadwick Boseman.)

Halloween Ends certainly didn't opt for a younger, mainstream female heroine. The heroine has to take on the villain without male help - the male love interest / police officer doesn't arrive until the villain is defeated.

I know Terrifier 2 doesn't really qualify as mainstream, but it was still released to theaters and has plenty of grisly male and female deaths - like the first, probably the most grisly is female. It also has a female heroine trying to protect her younger, male sibling and temporarily dies doing so.

The only film I saw in theaters this year that did have this disparity was the new Scream - five female survivors to one male survivor - but at the same time, the female villain gets a more gruesome death than the male villain.

There has been a disparity before, which is why a TV Tropes page exists on this subject, but I'm not seeing it as often as I once did.

Nonetheless, death fetish will always prioritize the female because that’s what porn and fetish have always prioritized. I guess it’s just part of human DNA, which is where this forum and community derives from.

You are talking me about a few movies of horrors and superheros genre LOL while there are tens thousands of movies and TV series that are produced around the world in the US and in Europe, and also I'm talking about the number of deaths in totality in a movie without counting the main character the hero who will survive in 95 % of case anyway.

I can give you just now a few dozens of movies from Sci-Fi movies, Police/Crime series/movies, War/History movies, Fantasy movies, Drama movies, Actions movies, Western movies to even comics and mangas with 97 % of deaths in them are males. Fact is the lists are huge where men characters are the main victims and are a part of the large majority of deaths.

Anyway, anyone who are watching their evening movie every day on TV will see the same thing in the large majority = men characters die more often than women characters. And also they are the most of the time diying atrociously and horribly than women characters.

[CinemorgueFan]

But wait... doesn't this mean fetishers are coming for me?

OH NOEZ!

[CinemorgueFan]

You are talking me about a few movies of horrors and superheros genre LOL while there are tens thousands of movies and TV series that are produced around the world in the US and in Europe, and also I'm talking about the number of deaths in totality in a movie without counting the main character the hero who will survive in 95 % of case anyway.

I can give you just now a few dozens of movies from Sci-Fi movies, Police/Crime series/movies, War/History movies, Fantasy movies, Drama movies, Actions movies, Western movies to even comics and mangas with 97 % of deaths in them are males. Fact is the lists are huge where men characters are the main victims and are a part of the large majority of deaths.

Anyway, anyone who are watching their evening movie every day on TV will see the same thing in the large majority = men characters die more often than women characters. And also they are the most of the time diying atrociously and horribly than women characters.

I'm talking about the current state of movies - the movies (especially the most mainstream ones) I've seen in theaters this year. Yeah, I know there have been periods with more male deaths than female deaths and that tips the scale towards more male deaths in general. But when you look at the current state, that inequality isn't so prevalent.

Pretty much every time I've seen a movie with predominantly male deaths, it's because the cast is predominantly male, which makes the probability of male death all the more higher. Proportionally, however, it's not so clear cut. For example, there may be only one major female death in Godzilla vs. Kong, but there are only three major female characters. In Akira, there's only one major female death - but again, there are only three major female characters (and said female character probably gets the worst death out of everyone). It's one thing for the male deaths to outnumber the female deaths; it's another for the male and female deaths to be proportionally equal.

For every Train to Busan - which has every major male character die, even if there's also a high number of deaths - I can counter with Parasite - in which the only member of the main family who dies is female - and Squid Game - you know, only the most-watched show on Netflix. Who survived Squid Game? Not the North Korean defector - or any female character for that matter.

[CinemorgueFan]

One movie I do remember having inequality with the deaths was Rogue, in which none of the female characters died. However, it was by the same director as the Wolf Creek movies, which kill all of the female characters, so maybe the director was compensating for that.

[Totallibertarianism]

You are talking me about a few movies of horrors and superheros genre LOL while there are tens thousands of movies and TV series that are produced around the world in the US and in Europe, and also I'm talking about the number of deaths in totality in a movie without counting the main character the hero who will survive in 95 % of case anyway.

I can give you just now a few dozens of movies from Sci-Fi movies, Police/Crime series/movies, War/History movies, Fantasy movies, Drama movies, Actions movies, Western movies to even comics and mangas with 97 % of deaths in them are males. Fact is the lists are huge where men characters are the main victims and are a part of the large majority of deaths.

Anyway, anyone who are watching their evening movie every day on TV will see the same thing in the large majority = men characters die more often than women characters. And also they are the most of the time diying atrociously and horribly than women characters.

I'm talking about the current state of movies - the movies (especially the most mainstream ones) I've seen in theaters this year. Yeah, I know there have been periods with more male deaths than female deaths and that tips the scale towards more male deaths in general. But when you look at the current state, that inequality isn't so prevalent.

Pretty much every time I've seen a movie with predominantly male deaths, it's because the cast is predominantly male, which makes the probability of male death all the more higher. Proportionally, however, it's not so clear cut. For example, there may be only one major female death in Godzilla vs. Kong, but there are only three major female characters. In Akira, there's only one major female death - but again, there are only three major female characters (and said female character probably gets the worst death out of everyone). It's one thing for the male deaths to outnumber the female deaths; it's another for the male and female deaths to be proportionally equal.

For every Train to Busan - which has every major male character die, even if there's also a high number of deaths - I can counter with Parasite - in which the only member of the main family who dies is female - and Squid Game - you know, only the most-watched show on Netflix. Who survived Squid Game? Not the North Korean defector - or any female character for that matter.

You are again talking me about horror genres movies with some of them in a restricted audience, the only exception in that matter. I'm talking about common movies that everyone can watch in their TV in the evening : Gladiator, Terminator, The 5th Wave, Oblivion, The Maze Runner, Hunger Games, World War Z, The Eagle, Indepedence Day, War of the Worlds, Full Metal Jackett, Troy, Star Trek in the Darkness, Star Trek Beyond, Interstellar, Kingdom of Heaven, Black Death, Apocalypto, Alita: Battle Angel, Ender's Game, Star Wars, Die Hard 123456 etc... etc...etc...etc... The lists are huge.

And Yes all those ones have more males death scenes than females ones.

The horrors and fanatasy-horrors especially the japaneses ones are the only exception in that matter where you can watch more women dying than in common movies...

[CinemorgueFan]

You are again talking me about horror genres movies with some of them in a restricted audience, the only exception in that matter. I'm talking about common movies that everyone can watch in their TV in the evening : Gladiator, Terminator, The 5th Wave, Oblivion, The Maze Runner, Hunger Games, World War Z, The Eagle, Indepedence Day, War of the Worlds, Full Metal Jackett, Troy, Star Trek in the Darkness, Star Trek Beyond, Interstellar, Kingdom of Heaven, Black Death, Apocalypto, Alita: Battle Angel, Ender's Game, Star Wars, Die Hard 123456 etc... etc...etc...etc... The lists are huge.

And Yes all those ones have more males death scenes than females ones.

The horrors and fanatasy-horrors especially the japaneses ones are the only exception in that matter where you can watch more women dying than in common movies...

The only legitimate horror movie I mentioned was Train to Busan, which could be more scrutinized because despite the heavy female body count, all of the major male characters survive. Parasite, which won Best Picture, is equal in male and female deaths - and among the main family, only a female member dies. Godzilla vs. Kong, while having horror elements, is the same vein of a common movie anyone could watch on TV in the evening. And yeah, that has more male death scenes than female death scenes - but it also has far more male characters than female characters. This goes back to my point about proportions.

The movies you cite have significantly more male characters than female characters, so it's inevitable there are more male death scenes. What matters is the proportion of how many male and female characters die. In Full Metal Jacket, there's only like two female characters with speaking lines - the hooker and the sniper - and the sniper dies. That's half the female cast getting killed. In Black Death, there are only two major female characters - the witch and the love interest - and the love interest dies. I can't speak for all of these movies because I haven't seen all of them, but I know Terminator has the wrong Sarah Connors getting axed, Oblivion kills two of the three major female characters, The Maze Runner kills the female lead in the end, the first lady doesn't survive Independence Day, Star Trek Beyond made sure the female henchwoman snuffed it (something other films blow it on), and two of the Star Wars trilogies end with a major female death.

It's one thing when the female deaths are disproportionate; it's another when the men simply outnumber the women. In Carnosaur 2, there are only two female deaths - but there are also only two female characters. That's 100% of the female cast getting offed, while the only survivors are male. Is that inequality towards men simply because more men died in that movie? I'd say that's favoritism towards the male characters because male characters actually survived.

[Totallibertarianism]

You are again talking me about horror genres movies with some of them in a restricted audience, the only exception in that matter. I'm talking about common movies that everyone can watch in their TV in the evening : Gladiator, Terminator, The 5th Wave, Oblivion, The Maze Runner, Hunger Games, World War Z, The Eagle, Indepedence Day, War of the Worlds, Full Metal Jackett, Troy, Star Trek in the Darkness, Star Trek Beyond, Interstellar, Kingdom of Heaven, Black Death, Apocalypto, Alita: Battle Angel, Ender's Game, Star Wars, Die Hard 123456 etc... etc...etc...etc... The lists are huge.

And Yes all those ones have more males death scenes than females ones.

The horrors and fanatasy-horrors especially the japaneses ones are the only exception in that matter where you can watch more women dying than in common movies...

The only legitimate horror movie I mentioned was Train to Busan, which could be more scrutinized because despite the heavy female body count, all of the major male characters survive. Parasite, which won Best Picture, is equal in male and female deaths - and among the main family, only a female member dies. Godzilla vs. Kong, while having horror elements, is the same vein of a common movie anyone could watch on TV in the evening. And yeah, that has more male death scenes than female death scenes - but it also has far more male characters than female characters. This goes back to my point about proportions.

The movies you cite have significantly more male characters than female characters, so it's inevitable there are more male death scenes. What matters is the proportion of how many male and female characters die. In Full Metal Jacket, there's only like two female characters with speaking lines - the hooker and the sniper - and the sniper dies. That's half the female cast getting killed. In Black Death, there are only two major female characters - the witch and the love interest - and the love interest dies. I can't speak for all of these movies because I haven't seen all of them, but I know Terminator has the wrong Sarah Connors getting axed, Oblivion kills two of the three major female characters, The Maze Runner kills the female lead in the end, the first lady doesn't survive Independence Day, Star Trek Beyond made sure the female henchwoman snuffed it (something other films blow it on), and two of the Star Wars trilogies end with a major female death.

It's one thing when the female deaths are disproportionate; it's another when the men simply outnumber the women. In Carnosaur 2, there are only two female deaths - but there are also only two female characters. That's 100% of the female cast getting offed, while the only survivors are male. Is that inequality towards men simply because more men died in that movie? I'd say that's favoritism towards the male characters because male characters actually survived.

You are saying the men characters outnumber the females characters in those movies, I don't agree with you... If you watch all the casting for example in Oblivion, independence day, Star Trek Beyond, the numbers of both seems equal, at least 40 % - 60 %, 55 - 45 %.

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If you want to calculate the proportion of male and female deaths in a movie, you have to take all the casting, all the actresses and actors playing in it not just the main casting, even someone who is playing a civilian bystander or a passerby in the street who will be killed in the movie has to be counted in this case, these scenes happen often in many movies by the way.

And calculating the proportion of deaths between women and men instead of the numbers is a completely wrong approach to define who between men characters and women characters are favored.

=> If tomorrow CNN would report the death of 50 US soldiers killed in a firefight with a dozen of russians troops near the syrian-iraqi border where thousands of US troops are present (50/7000 killed = 0.7 % of losses), then 7 russians soldiers were killed in the process among the few dozens of russians soldiers present in Syria (7/100 killed = 7 % of losses), would you say that US are more favoured than Russia in this event because of the proportion in the total losses ? LOL

You see ? You can not use the proportion for the death and losses of humans, to define morally which ones are more favored than others. Morally our ethic would say us a death is a death, death = death, the number of deaths are the most important than proportion !

[CinemorgueFan]

You are saying the men characters outnumber the females characters in those movies, I don't agree with you... If you watch all the casting for example in Oblivion, independence day, Star Trek Beyond, the numbers of both seems equal, at least 40 % - 60 %, 55 - 45 %.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1483013/fullcredits

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1628841/fullcredits

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2660888/fullcredits

If you want to calculate the proportion of male and female deaths in a movie, you have to take all the casting, all the actresses and actors playing in it not just the main casting, even someone who is playing a civilian bystander or a passerby in the street who will be killed in the movie has to be counted in this case, these scenes happen often in many movies by the way.

And calculating the proportion of deaths between women and men instead of the numbers is a completely wrong approach to define who between men characters and women characters are favored.

=> If tomorrow CNN would report the death of 50 US soldiers killed in a firefight with a dozen of russians troops near the syrian-iraqi border where thousands of US troops are present (50/7000 killed = 0.7 % of losses), then 7 russians soldiers were killed in the process among the few dozens of russians soldiers present in Syria (7/100 killed = 7 % of losses), would you say that US are more favoured than Russia in this event because of the proportion in the total losses ? LOL

You see ? You can not use the proportion for the death and losses of humans, to define morally which ones are more favored than others. Morally our ethic would say us a death is a death, death = death, the number of deaths are the most important than proportion !

How many of those cast members are actually treated as characters and how many are just standing around in the background?

How many have their deaths emphasized and how many would you not realize died if it wasn't pointed out?

How many would you even realize were male or female in their death scenes? In Star Trek Into Darkness, it looked like both male and female crew members were getting sucked into space when the Vengeance was firing on the Enterprise, but the scene is going so quickly, it's hard to focus on the genders of the dead crew members and how many of each are meeting their doom.

On the flip side, there's only about three female characters with speaking lines in Black Death, but there is a focus on them. Two of them die and their deaths actually matter. You actually know they died and remember they died.

When entries are usually added to the Men Are the Expendable Gender page on TV Tropes, the focus is on major character deaths - the deaths you're supposed to care about. Yeah, a lot of male extras survive Train to Busan, but doesn't change the fact that every actual male character gets killed and that's why it's included on the page. The proportions can be broken down simply by focusing on who actually matters and which deaths actually matter (which is what generates accusations of inequality in the first place). It's even easier to do so in the films with minimal to no background characters, which is also present in many films.

But even if you want to account for the background characters, you'll find indiscriminate male and female bystander / passerby / whoever deaths in those scenarios, whether it be the aforementioned Enterprise being fired on by the Vengeance in Star Trek Into Darkness, the dining room flooding in The Poseidon Adventure, the Terminator firing on the club crowd in the first film, or the exploding heads in the first Kingsman. These typically aren't factored into gender death equality vs. inequality because most people don't care about these deaths because the focus is on the situation, not the deaths. Unless they're trying to do a kill count, it's not relevant. It's seeing the actual male characters die that, again, prompted this very discussion.

And calculating the proportion of deaths between women and men instead of the numbers is the completely right approach because if there are less female characters than male characters, it is literally impossible for there to be more female deaths. Like I mentioned before, if all the female characters die and the only survivors are male, it doesn't matter if there were more male deaths. That's favoritism towards the men because men actually survived.

Comparing real life deaths to fictional deaths is false equivalence because in real life, those are actual people who died. In the movies, these are not real people dying and in the fictional narrative, certain deaths are going to matter more than background characters. It's also not a competition between male and female characters, unless that's what the story is about. It's absurd to claim favoritism towards women in a movie that has a higher male body count when all the women died. It's not favoritism if they're not making it to the end, while male counterparts are.

We're not talking about the death and losses of humans, we're talking about the death and losses of fictional characters. You can use proportion for the death and losses of fictional characters because they are not real and there is no moral or ethical issues in recognizing major character death =/= minor character death because that's specifically the point. In real life, the numbers are more important, but in a fictional world where no one actually died, the proportion is more important.