Apart from the obvious, what else matters in fetish films?

[Deathtrap]

So, I and Mrs. Deathtrap were having a discussion with another producer and we got into a disagreement about what consumers actually want from their genre films. The other producer was of the opinion that customers don't care about the quality of the film apart from the essential elements (the quality of the actress, the specific fetishes, minimum sound quality etc.). We are of the opinion that even if customers say they don't care about elements like film soundtracks, professional credit sequences, good editing and alike that they actually do care and just don't understand that this lacking is what contributes to them appreciating a film less. Said producer never puts a credit sequence on his film, never uses music, and a lot of times the cameraman is just an inanimate tripod. Most of our films take at least a full week to edit and half of that time is usually correcting sound and syncing music to the action. The other producer will shoot a film and have it cut and on the sites by the end of the day. I don't mean to demean. And I'm not saying he's wrong. His business model works. Really, more power to him. I am wondering how right I actually am about consumers ultimately wanting to experience as full a film as possible. So let me ask the people here: what cinematic elements in your fetish films, quite apart from the specific sexual ones, do you appreciate seeing or hearing? Or does any of it matter?

[Ric delCampo]

In videos I like to see a bit of the art of film-making.
Various camera angles, close-ups, medium shots, long shots.
Use of lighting for visual effects and mood setting. But good lighting, at least.
Mood setting music is good, as long as it doesn't detract, and distract from the dialogue.
Good sound effects. But good sound, at least. (I want to be able to hear the actors, at the very least.)
Good dialogue, which tells or moves along the story is a plus. A story to tell is a plus.
Good acting is a definite plus. (Actresses who just stand there and take it, emotionless, even looking bored with the whole process, are a real turn off.)

Enough for now.

[Awol Nate]

Professional camera work. I've seen a gazillion decent scenes completely ruined by amateur camera work. When I say "amateur" I mean shakey shots, too much crazy zooming and panning, terrible angles missing all the action, etc. I've quit watching a clip very often due to shitty camera work.

[CinemorgueFan]

I like the amateur aspects. Professional film aspects come off as too polished for me and it feels, well, fake. There's a rawness and realness I feel in lower budget productions, which connect with me more on an emotional level. It's just more genuine.

The only thing that needs to be professional for me is the acting because if the acting isn't believable, it also feels fake. When you combine top-notch actresses and a production without flashy values, I believe in what's happening on-screen.

[thx1139a]

Professional camera work. I've seen a gazillion decent scenes completely ruined by amateur camera work. When I say "amateur" I mean shakey shots, too much crazy zooming and panning, terrible angles missing all the action, etc. I've quit watching a clip very often due to shitty camera work.

Agreed! Can't emphasize this enough... so many potentially good moments ruined because you can't actually SEE things. Tight zooms that result in blurred things zooming past the frame that you can't see... shots blocked by any number of things meaning, again, that you don't actually SEE the activity. Geeez... what do some producers think we are interested in their material? If we wanted only hints, glimpses, and suggestions we could watch scenes from a TV show.

[Storm9]

Very interesting ..
That originally it was deathtrap wanting people to join on a podcast.
Then unsuffable rolled in same desires. Deathtrap went silent.
Surprising did not sound off, that persons thread.

Now that person is removed. Deathtrap pops back up again.

Looking like that is the couple deathtrap and unsuffable. Trying to use this as their petri dish, for experiments.

Think best way to deal with people like this. Just ignore and don't respond to them.
No matter how innocent they try to pretend to be.

[Deathtrap]

What the fuck kind of bullshit accusation is this?! You think I have something to do with some troll on the board just because we both at some point used the word "podcast?"

What do you mean I "went silent" and "surprisingly did not sound off" on someone else's thread? What's so surprising about that? I haven't sounded off on 99% of this site's threads. I don't live on this board. Why should it be my particular responsibility to deal with every random pot stirrer who stumbles onto a site I happen to be on?

I have been a producer of horror and damsel in distress films available for sale for well over a decade. Plenty of people on this very board have purchased my movies and can vouch that I am exactly who I represent myself to be. Even the owner of this very site recognizes me as an established producer. And, clearly, it should be obvious that Deathtrap Films' goals and interests and those of said individual are diametrically opposed. She wants to outlaw the very things I produce and sell.

Furthermore, I never invited anyone here to join my podcast. And I have I never referred to this community in any way on it. My podcast is not political and its purpose is not to cause controversy. It's to help people who might like my sort of movies discover that Deathtrap Films exists so that maybe some of these people might end up buying what I'm selling. My podcast is simply my barely SFW social media marketing of my NSFW product. I've been upfront about that from the beginning.

Now as a representative of Deathtrap Films, I have a rule that I don't get personal nor do I get hostile with people online. It's counterproductive. Serves no purpose. And is a waste of time and effort. But, given the nature of Storm9's attack on me, I'm going to break that rule. The accusation that I must somehow be linked to another individual because I DIDN'T participate in an argument is one of the most stunningly stupid lines of reasoning I've ever heard.

[jhsnuff]

So, I and Mrs. Deathtrap were having a discussion with another producer and we got into a disagreement about what consumers actually want from their genre films. The other producer was of the opinion that customers don't care about the quality of the film apart from the essential elements (the quality of the actress, the specific fetishes, minimum sound quality etc.). We are of the opinion that even if customers say they don't care about elements like film soundtracks, professional credit sequences, good editing and alike that they actually do care and just don't understand that this lacking is what contributes to them appreciating a film less.

I'm going to agree with the other producer. I don't care about credits at all -- I usually skip them, and when I look, it's only to see the name of the actress if I like what she's done. Same with soundtrack -- the only sound I want is minimal dialogue and the moans and whimpers of the woman dying. Far too many mainstream films are ruined by the soundtrack burying the actress. As for editing, yeah, there should be some, but there doesn't have to be a lot. Grindhouse North does digital effects and some scene changing and that's enough.

[Storm9]

Wasn't an attack pinhead .... Was an observation.
I don't and never have really attacked anyone in forums before either.
Been here LOT longer than you have ...

So you want to get abusive go ahead. That may only lead to the fact maybe you doth protest to much.
Your creds not that visible, and mainly your say so. So why would anyone here trust you?
After all the recent replies thread you had started about podcast got politely, declined.

Then someone else with an agenda shows up, wanting to interview forum members and producers.
On a podcast, kind of like what you did.
So go ahead yell and shout. Pretend to be the poor victim.

The rest of us maybe simply wanting to be wary of possible wolves in sheeps clothing.

[Nyghtfall]

Wasn't an attack pinhead .... Was an observation.

FYI, they have a store on NicheClips, called Deathtrap Films. I'm the proud owner of one of their vids, called Head First!, released in 2019. Their podcast may not have been a good idea (depending on one's point of view), but they are a legit studio. Your observation was just a coincidence in timing.

To answer their question, good production values matter to me. If you're limited to a tripod and hotel room, fine, but at least buy one key light, a boom mic, and learn how to edit. Poor lighting, inaudible dialogue, and kitchen-sink editing will instantly kill any video for me and make me think twice about buying anymore of your work.

Convincing performances are equally important. I don't care how beautiful your models are, naked or clothed. I've never expected Oscar-level performances, but if they don't sell me on their demise, then you've lost me as a customer.