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It seems to me that a lot of strangle scenes are very quick. And they are very "clean." It's all over in a few seconds and the victim doesn't get particularly messed up. Perhaps a tongue is hanging out, but other than that, it seems sort of a bit of quick surprise and pain, then over. Their "mood" is sort of benign, rather than rough and aggressive. And that seems unrealistic, or at least, un-erotic, to me.

For my taste, the whole issue of pain and a certain amount of tears, smudged mascara, etc, is critical. I'm just finishing a strangle scene for a custom client who wanted a spy killed in a particularly protracted manner. Shot a few times in the leg and the belly, because it hurts so much, then finally strangled in long, painful manner. It's called "The Interrogation," because the title explains everything that will happen to our victim.

But it raised a question in my mind as to whether people really like that? The victim in "Relentless" is clearly in incredible pain, before her lights go out. It was the same with "Atomic Blonde." How do people feel about that? Will folks buy a clip that focuses on a bigger and "messy" pain scenario, rather than just a quick shooting or strangle kill?

Depends on a fuck-ton of factors, all of which can singularly make me lose interest. Story... character type... camera angles... lighting... composition... wardrobe... facial expressions... you name it. Any one of those elements can kill a sale.

Assuming all of the technical aspects have pushed the right buttons, then, yeah, I could probably go for a protracted death, but they aren't something I look for, or prefer.

One major problem I've observed over the years is that fetish producers don't know how to edit and seem to put every scrap of footage they shot into their vids, leaving me watching the actress struggle ad nausum and thinking, "Jesus Chris, fucking die already!" In that sense, I was sold scenes that were protracted by bad editing, or a lack thereof. I usually wind up putting the damn things in my own editor and seeing what I can do with them, but that's not something I relish or look forward to.

On the flip side of that, I once bought a bondage video that started off with the actress being hand-gagged and suffocated upon returning home from work. The suffocation lasted 8 seconds, and I felt entirely ripped off because there was no way to salvage that part of the vid.

It really depends, I'm a fan of long strangles. I enjoy seeing the victims fight get slowly drained out of them until they're eventually . I usually hate really short strangles, they make feel cheated sometimes, but sometimes they get done right where the victim gets attacked puts a good fight but gets overpowered quickly.
Sometimes I see clips where the strangle drags on a little too long, I guess I'd rather have that over really short ones

tommygun wrote: ↑Sun May 29, 2022 12:30 pm It seems to me that a lot of strangle scenes are very quick. And they are very "clean." It's all over in a few seconds and the victim doesn't get particularly messed up. Perhaps a tongue is hanging out, but other than that, it seems sort of a bit of quick surprise and pain, then over. Their "mood" is sort of benign, rather than rough and aggressive. And that seems unrealistic, or at least, un-erotic, to me.

For my taste, the whole issue of pain and a certain amount of tears, smudged mascara, etc, is critical. I'm just finishing a strangle scene for a custom client who wanted a spy killed in a particularly protracted manner. Shot a few times in the leg and the belly, because it hurts so much, then finally strangled in long, painful manner. It's called "The Interrogation," because the title explains everything that will happen to our victim.

But it raised a question in my mind as to whether people really like that? The victim in "Relentless" is clearly in incredible pain, before her lights go out. It was the same with "Atomic Blonde." How do people feel about that? Will folks buy a clip that focuses on a bigger and "messy" pain scenario, rather than just a quick shooting or strangle kill?

"Relentless" and "Atomic Blonde" are some of the best strangle scenes out there. I love when the victim is in incredible pain, and the death is a little drawn out. Most recently, I think Lynda does a really great job at suffering in "White angle 3". For me personally, nothing ruins a strangle scene more than when the girl just lays there and looks like she sleeping with a bored look on her face during the strangle. It's the worst

Exactly, Gregor... Just lying there just seems to be a waste of time.

And DarkLime, I agree that some things can be protracted too much, but if the victim's struggles are expressing the desperation and pain of her situation, then it needs to be longer rather than short.

tommygun wrote: ↑Sun May 29, 2022 5:29 pm Exactly, Gregor... Just lying there just seems to be a waste of time.

And DarkLime, I agree that some things can be protracted too much, but if the victim's struggles are expressing the desperation and pain of her situation, then it needs to be longer rather than short.

Yes exactly, as long as the acting of the victim keeps up with the length of the scene I'm happy. I may try to find examples of this later on when I'm a little less busy.

21gregor wrote: ↑Sun May 29, 2022 4:23 pm "Relentless" and "Atomic Blonde" are some of the best strangle scenes out there.

Which "Relentless" are you two referring to? I'm only familiar with the 1989 version.

"The Interrogation" is an exploration of these feelings, both for the victim and for the strangler. By the time she reaches this point in her interrogation, she's been shot a few times and is in pretty bad shape, but is trying to get to her gun one more time! What a naughty girl! You can tell that the nylon around her neck excites her nevertheless, based on how hard her nipples have gotten...! Lovely woman! The scene runs more than three minutes.








I'm hoping to finish it up and release it by tomorrow. My client has been very patient!

That's the right one... the 1989 version had a housewife strangled in her clothes dryer...

tommygun wrote: ↑Sun May 29, 2022 7:07 pm That's the right one... the 1989 version had a housewife strangled in her clothes dryer...

Her death was 30 seconds long from the moment Judd started strangling her. What's your definition of protracted?

Incidentally - and not to split hairs about the protagonist's background - but the victim was a concert pianist.

Thanks...

Two comments...

First, I wasn't saying that this scene was particularly "protracted." I was more commenting on its "mood" rather than its length. For me, it was vicious, cold-blooded, painful, raw, desperate, not "cleaned up" for prime time. It was very powerful in the way it was done. I would have loved it to be longer!

Second, as for her being a concert pianist rather than housewife... Shows how our assumptions are often wrong. I never saw the full movie! Since she was strangled in a clothes dryer in her basement, rather than on top of a Steinway, it had been my guess that she was more domestically oriented than apparently she was. Thanks for pointing that out. Makes it more erotic, actually.

tommygun wrote: ↑Sun May 29, 2022 12:30 pm It seems to me that a lot of strangle scenes are very quick. And they are very "clean." It's all over in a few seconds and the victim doesn't get particularly messed up. Perhaps a tongue is hanging out, but other than that, it seems sort of a bit of quick surprise and pain, then over. Their "mood" is sort of benign, rather than rough and aggressive. And that seems unrealistic, or at least, un-erotic, to me.

For my taste, the whole issue of pain and a certain amount of tears, smudged mascara, etc, is critical. I'm just finishing a strangle scene for a custom client who wanted a spy killed in a particularly protracted manner. Shot a few times in the leg and the belly, because it hurts so much, then finally strangled in long, painful manner. It's called "The Interrogation," because the title explains everything that will happen to our victim.

But it raised a question in my mind as to whether people really like that? The victim in "Relentless" is clearly in incredible pain, before her lights go out. It was the same with "Atomic Blonde." How do people feel about that? Will folks buy a clip that focuses on a bigger and "messy" pain scenario, rather than just a quick shooting or strangle kill?

personally I prefer they victim is garotted and the struggle takes like 2 to 3 minutes. For me in should includes a few things added to the tears, smudged masacra

1) Drooling and bleeding from mouth and nose
2) eyes turning bloodshot as blood vessels burst
3) I know it turns a lot of people off but I like when the victim loses bladder control while being garotted

For fantasy fetish strangles I've preferred what I would call fairly short strangles but lots of gagging and leg kicking within the time period. A proper fight to the death. Usually around 2-3 minutes. The actress putting up an almighty fight but ultimately being defeated. Quick but brutal. Panties showing if wearing a dress/skirt, clothes disheveled, tongue out, death stare, sprawled out on the floor/bed etc.

Thanks for the input. I've been able to include most of this, because I very much agree. The thought about a bit of bleeding is something new, however, and very much worth some effort in the next project. It seems to me that all of this is worth including, but I don't think any of it should be over the top, do you? It's more fun to see all these effects of the strangling and pain, without any one aspect overpowering the other ones.

The good news for me is that the comments all have been pretty supportive of a scene lasting longer, not just a quick hands-around-throat and squeeze for a few seconds...

I would prefer the scene to last a bit longer, but the energy needs to ramped up in the beginning. I LOVE the victim struggling and fighting like mad, going from shock and terror to fury to pain and agony to resignation. The good thing about longer strangle scenes (5-6 minutes) is I get to play God and edit the shit out of it and make it into exactly the clip I wanted. It's more footage for me to play with, so I can make it either an eight second strangle or a six minute strangle.

But the mood has to be fairly realistic for the scene to work for me. A victim simply lying there without a fight is not very realistic and just looks too much like bad acting. And if the victim gives any indication she remotely enjoys it, I'm out. I will NEVER buy material where the victim appears to like it. The pain has to be realistically conveyed, and most human beings don't like pain. If you need an example, take a needle and poke it into your arm. Did you orgasm? Have someone slam their fist into your guts. Are your sexually aroused? Bite your tongue while chewing food. Does that turn you on? Most human beings absolutely do not like pain and will avoid it all costs. And when it happens, it's grueling and terrible.