Femme Fatalities Message Board

Lethal Lipstick
Grunt Films (as a sub disclipine)
Necrodudes (now extinct I think)

The thing that puzzles me is that these sites draw mostly guys. Not my cup of tea, but neither are a lot of other fetish sites.

Over the course of the past 8 or 9 years I've produced three videos (Customs) which involved girls killing guys. They did not sell well. And necrodudes is no longer around. I just don't think it's popular or the people who like it just aren't willing to support the genre.

Based on that record, I haven't particularly been interested in doing more. I've gotten several requests to do videos of guys killing guys and have not pursued those either as I didn't think the requested content would sell.

Hank

I have often wondered myself the same question. However, I think I sold only one copy of one of the F/m kills and 0 copies of the other one. I think it's the only video I've ever posted that did not sell even one copy -and that was in the halcyon days at that.

As far as the requests for the M/M killings, the persons that wanted them were of a different sexual orientation than most of my customers. According to the communication with them, they felt there was a large market for this sort of thing, it's just not my thing.

Hank

Actually, Blue, I think there's a pretty big interest in girls killing guys -- that was my primary interest before discovering girl/girl stuff and realizing that it works just as well for me. I think the reason that the producers here haven't had success with it is because they aren't specialists in the genre. The /f and /m groups don't overlap much.

Some of the F/m killing is joined to the vast universe of "femdom" which is hugely popular, of course (although not with me). Also, I'd add that guys who get off on seeing women kill men can get that pretty easily for free in a lot of mainstream entertainment. It's a little more common than the reverse. Having said that, there are tons of places like the "girls with guns" message board that cater to this. There used to be a HUGE Yahoo group dedicated to the theme, and I wrote stories for it long ago.

For those who don't "get" the F/m stuff: It's not about what the guy looks like or is wearing, as it is with girl death... The guys don't matter much at all... It's about the power dynamic and sexiness of an aggressive or violent woman who lays waste to men in her path... That's a real turn-on, although for my money, I might as well watch her kill beautiful women while she's at it!

That's the weird thing: there don't seem to be many paysites for it. Lots of message boards, groups, etc. -- but more in the "old days" than now. Not sure what happened?

I made one girl killing guy clip as a custom. I released it almost 1.5 years ago. To date, it has sold just over 20 copies. That is extremely low demand and what did sell was more for the fact that she was dressed in a lycra bodysuit. I fear if not for that, only 4-5 copies would have sold. But, I am not known for those type of video. Sites like Grunt may do a lot better..in fact, they must, as they keep making them, though I think he no longer does.

Also, Psycho-Thrillers has made a few and I am assuming they sell for them as they periodically do them. I must admit, I don't care for the killing part, but the molestation of the victim by the stunningly hot girl or girls is somewhat intriguing to me.

JohnM

Im curious,

if 20 copies is a really low sell rate, what is usually the average number for a "good" or "normal" sales for copies?

shootingmad wrote:Im curious,

if 20 copies is a really low sell rate, what is usually the average number for a "good" or "normal" sales for copies?

Hopefully enough to at least break even and occasionally profit, however, it is different for each producer depending on their costs. For instance, if my average cost to make a 1 girl movie is $300, not taking into consideration all the other surrounding costs like studio, travel, food, including the 40% just in processing fees...not counting hosting, web work, editing and any other time involved, then for me, 20 sales is bad.

Thanks,
JohnM

Yes, I understand the function relates cost with beneffit and of course it does make sense. After all thats how we usually measure our business.

What I was trying to understand is the volume of sales. The width of the market per se.

for example, I know now that 20 sales may be good or bad depending on your costs but it does seem like it is definitely not a significant portion of the market.

So, apart from the costs and specialized fetish, what you guys think would be the average amount of people in the market willing to buy a video about asphyx or shooting? In other words, how many customers are usually out there buying?

Wouldn't the profit potential for a custom be higher? Since the person who ordered it probably covered most (if not all) the production costs? So if you sold the piece on a NicheClips type site after the 40% processing fee (WOW, that's a BIG bite!!) the leftover would be profit?