Female Facial Expressions

[Ric delCampo]

Let me introduce a new topic for discussion:

First of all let me post a few pictures. These are all pictures of women’s faces at the moment of orgasm.
















Back in the good old days when I was married, one of the things I really enjoyed, (one of many, many things,) was watching my wife’s facial expression as she came to orgasm. I just love that orgasmic facial expression. I loved bringing it to her face-- of course, that meant I was bring her to orgasm. It was a bit of an ego boost for me. Not only was a beautiful woman letting me make love to her; but I was giving her orgasmic pleasure.

How is this on topic?

As I have said in the past, I don’t like too realistic portrayals of violence to women.

I like a more fantasy, theatrical approach. One of them is substituting the pain-filled, fear-filled face of the female victim with an orgasmic expression-- such as those above.

Look at the faces above. Can’t you imagine that the woman is reacting to a knife slipping into her guts or a bullet piercing her breast?
I think that the orgasmic facial expression has enough in common with the shocked, or pain-filled expression that it is not impossible to imagine the woman is being killed rather than climaxing. But, at the same time, it’s not too realistic violence.
It also helps strengthen the metaphor that erotic death is a metaphoric representation of sexual intercourse.

Among my favorite death scenes are those that show close-up of the woman’s face, and her facial expressions as she reacts to the act of violation to her body. But what really makes the scene for me is if her facial expression is like those above, orgasmic.


(A related theme is sound: the sounds a woman makes as she is dying. Once again, I prefer replacing realistic sounds of pain with orgasmic moans and groans.)

So: what are your comments, what do you think?

[Bluestone]

Right on, Ric!

That is exactly why I love female fantasy death, and why I film it the way that I do, without marring the woman's beauty and without realistic violence. That's where the 'erotic' in 'erotic death fetish' cums, er, I mean... comes from!

Blue

[Sandi]

One of my favorite subjects, since the fantasies for me are all about sex and not at all about death. Here are the same 21 images I posted elsewhere where Ric created this thread, some are new, all are borrowed, most you have likely seen, but none are blue in mood.

These can be 'sex or fantasy' looks; for me, they are the ultimate moments of both.

Attached here is 1 of the images in the attached link folder; it happens to be from Clay Pigeons as she's riding her man at sexual peak when she gets a bullet through her back, but no bullet is necessary to create this sexual moment of ecstasy, a moment here of 'double penetration' where her face says it all and the breath is taken away and the big 'O' just.....'happens'.

Just a simple, mainstream movie scene moment.....that obviously shows a woman at sexual, orgasmic peak......and yet here also included a pretend bullet penetration to create and enhance that peak:

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Sandi

[Pennpaul]

Fascinating, yet there is no specifics pertaining to producers. Where does one find those facials. My experience has been that shooting per advisory doesn't garner any more sales than painful demises.

4P

[Ric delCampo]

Fascinating, yet there is no specifics pertaining to producers. Where does one find those facials. My experience has been that shooting per advisory doesn't garner any more sales than painful demises.

4P

As a former business owner I know you have to produce what the customer wants.

Most of the clips and samples I've seen are far too realistic and for me too mysogynistic, too brutal, for it to be erotic.
Women sobbing, begging, in pain, especially if it is in any way realistic, just isn't a turn on for me. (It's okay for me in a dramatic scene.)

If it isn't downright unreal, like my animted movies, then I prefer it to at least be theatrical. For example, the clip I just posted from 'I the Jury.' That death isn't very realistic, she doesn't appear to be in all that much pain; she just dies theatrically.
A lot of the female Film Noir deaths are like that.

However, I seem to be the the minority here; so be it. See my first statement.


Also, I am trying to stir up some activity on this board.

[Sandi]

Ric, as you know, we share VERY closely many aspects of our fantasy enjoyments, and also many aspects we share in not liking so much.

Maybe people are not reacting because the subject is not 'new' to some, but I for one cannot believe Others do not 'see' what you and I see in these images....LOL! I'm not being critical, I'm just surprised.

These are SEX....they are 'moments' in the 'sexual cycle' that every woman recogizes and any man recognizes who has ever been 'with' a woman experiencing the ecstasy of orgasms.

And interestingly, to you and to 4P, there is no Producer-monopoly on these images, and actually some of the more 'graphic' Producer productions, ones containing more 'blood' and/or more sex and or cum shots and necro sex and things like that, have also some of the BEST individual 'freeze frame' moments such as the ones you and I attempt to capture.

I've had to 'learn' over the years, Ric...lol.....to enjoy what I like and often even ignore or at least speed past aspects I do not like so much or even that are turn-offs. Some are into innocent victims, I am not at all into begging and screaming 'oh, no, oh no'....I want and need there to be a 'reason', but that's all for another discussion.

I just wanted to point out that these images, of which I have probably hundreds saved, come from every Producer in the community. It's just a matter of 'capturing' the still frame at the key moment, because if the rest of the body (or any part already violated or bloody or whatever) is not in the frame, we have no idea what the circumstances are but the face still says 'Orgasm(s)'.

Thanks again for the threads here and elsewhere, I knew Eyes would chime in but was as always, hoping for more stimulating images also from other Members!

I'll expand your thoughts, not to hijack and change things (!!!!) but just to show one of a million (at least a million...lol) such 'nirvana' or orgasmic moments....the closed eyes here, the body position....if we ignore the rest of the bullet effects, this woman is in heaven....lol. Since I know nothing about how to 'crop' or just take the facial image from a photo, I don't take these and capture 'just the face' for a new image, but when viewing them I have the option of enlarging to the point where nothing but the face is seen. This woman is happy, that's all I know.....lol.

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Sandi

[Pennpaul]

To Ric and Sandi

I guess I didn't make my point clear. Where do you find these unless you are content with Hollywood productions. I have produced several but the sales statistics say otherwise.

It is not a question of minority POV, merely a question of interest. Unless you mention any of our producers, there may be no real interest. Thus, I can understand that Ric does his own thing.

A classic example of Hollywood was a Johnny Cash bad guy below "B" movie in which he is holding a woman hostage, etc. Rape turns to seduction.

Have at it. The discussion may lead producers in another direction.

4P

[Sandi]

4P,

I think it was me being being dense and not understanding your point...lol....sorry! Every one of you produces such 'moments' during a filming, is all I'm saying, the moments the woman 'feels' the most, in a scene, where she is emoting the most. So the 'O' look in the mouth is there almost always in 'some' form or another, the surprise, both at the impact and, taken sexually, at the entire consumption of all of her that the penetrator creates...lol.

And there are those 'first wide-eyed' moments, and there are the exquisite 'close the eyes real tight and try to hold onto them forever' moments of ecstasy...nirvana....I can't even describe the states of mind and being...lol. But they are the same looks Ric enjoys and that his pix show.

So while personally I love a story involved, and foreplay and all of that, the demise sequence is where I focus for later 'use' of the movie, via repeating the sequence or capturing 'stills' that I put on screen while I play something 'by myself' and want to either feel that screen image against me in a scene, or want me to feel what I see the woman IN the image feeling who is on the screen.

It really does not matter at all what the method of demise is that creates that 'still image' at some point, but it's there in every demise, even if it's just a 'falls right over' type of thing.

So, to address your 'sales' thoughts, I'm not sure I could even 'suggest' what any of you might do differently for those 'looks' because they are there in every production....and, for me personally, pretty much what decides what I choose to get or not get.....but as I always say, my female POV might very well not be what the buying public that is mostly male for our videos really enjoys most.

Let me not drone on and close with a few images from a very old Debbie D production (it's still amazing she looks the same now, wish I could say the same relative to when I first watched this one!...lol), here are a couple that even without blood or full body would convey the 'look' I save and am talking about, as in if only the face was occupying the entire screen and there was no other images of the body, this face screams YES....sex....orgasms....lol....to me, anyway.

They were classic then and are classic now for me, and you can tell Debbie I said so.....lol. Obviously the quality of the images is based on the quality of the old video I have.

Hope these are somewhat clear...lol....focus me better if I can help to provide the feedback/input you're looking for, I don't think I'm doing very well with it yet!

Everything until this moment is the foreplay, but here she enters her sexual cycle (in my fantasy mind!):

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take away all other effects of blood and guns and wounds, and the next ones simply continue her 'cycle' to me, they are classic moments during...SEX...lol....very, very nice classic moments during sex, as at least to me Debbie portrays perfectly here:

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Sandi

[Arthur]

... Maybe people are not reacting because the subject is not 'new' to some, but I for one cannot believe Others do not 'see' what you and I see in these images....LOL! I'm not being critical, I'm just surprised. ...

Sandi, I see what you and Ric see in the images, but I haven't reacted to your posts because I've been away from the boards writing a story which is now done.

For me, what happens immediately before the orgasmic facial expression can be just as important as the facial expression itself. My reaction to the facial expression is more satisfying if the woman fights hard against dying and is surprised at the moment of death. The woman's resistance to death functions something like foreplay, with the movements of the woman's entire body adding to the experience.

I also don't like realistic portrayals of violence. I get turned off by the sight of gore or huge amounts of blood. Seeing a knife used for slashing is also a big turn-off. The knife should be used in stabbing motion simulating the movement of the male sex organ for the death to be a metaphor for sex.

I noticed that the woman's eyes are closed in all of Ric's pictures and open in some of Sandi's pictures.

[G-Man]

Hi Ric,
I feel the whole facial expression thing is what got me into this thing (fetish) in the first place.
When I was 7 to 10 (before I knew what sex was) and seen woman killed on T.V....
Their facial expressions when being shot or stabbed must have turned on the sexual arousal part in my brain
before I knew what it was.
So I always felt from later on... by the time I got to 11 and knew what sex was...
sex scenes as well as death scenes pushed my arousal buttons.
Good example below...
One of your pics with death scene stills from "Lessons for the Assasin"
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[Sandi]

G-Man...

YES!

Perfect examples.....'purr-fect', even, for a woman. I want to be there NOW!

Thanks for the additional pix!

the French had it wrong with 'le petit morte', or 'little death' being a term to describe orgasms.......these pix represent 'le GRANDE morte'! Nothing small about these orgasms or the intensity she's feeling.

Sandi

[Drizzt]

My old avatar on templars board only required a little dab of red to transform the scene entirely:

[Steph]

A bit late to this as usual!

It's not just the facial expressions for me. It's a total package based on situation, dialogue if any, clothing. For example the line in one of Rick's homages to Kelli where she comments on the bust of the model used for her actually made the clip more erotic (and memorable) for me. Or for me the glamorous look of clothing contrasts with the helpless expression as she faces her doom. Or the exact opposite. The 'Lightning Bolt' clip where Ursula Parker dies is a narcissistic delight because she does look and sound a lot like I did when her age. But beyond that there is the look of sadistic anticipation as she prepares to shoot the hero. It portrays the moment so well. Again in the 'Tingler' (a really stupid film) the turn from superiority to fear and backing away as Vincent Price prepares to shoot her make the scene memorable even without watching it again. The snaky gown doesn't hurt either of course, me being me.

Some of the actressses really emote in our niche productions. Wave's Debbie and Tina come immediately to mind. It adds so much to my enjoyment. The combination of looking real while actually being a fantasy is far more erotic to me. Even the odd scream helps! (Not too much. One of the Doctor Who assistants in the old series was apparently employed to scream a lot. Bonnie someone. And she did!)