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Member complaint against 121 fantasies

Post by Geno »

Hello FF members,

I want to bring to your attention some alleged unprofessionalism on the part of the custom store that is ran by Irma and/or Talia. A DS member (lovestrangle) has complained he put forth money for a custom video production from the Irma/Talia team over there. Then "121.." promised to have his production complete by July 18, 2017. Mr. Lovestrangle went on to report on the public DeadSkirts board, that the Irma-Talia co producer team, gave him two hollow excuses as to why they have not produce the film. He was paid in full.

On August 5, 2017, Mr. Lovestrangle went public on DS to expose their stalls. He got support from several members who sympathized with him, include me who rates this even hire than my anti-piracy effort because your money lost is very immediate.

Things then got a little confusing. Mr. Lovestrangle said that Irma-Talia team started making threats against him and told him to take his business elsewhere and they would refund his money quote "ASAP". I told him not to accept ASAP from anyone, and to instead get a exact date if refund. "As Soon As Possible" could mean week or months from now. Tell me you will refund. According to Lovestrangle he said Irma-Talia team said the model abandoned the project and took her deposit, as if Mr. Lovestrangle would be responsible for that lost.

I told him he is not responsible for the model's deposit without because he never contractually agreed to that, so Irma/Talia team is responsible for that model deposit. Also, because Mr. Lovestrangle claimed Irma was making threats not refund anything, I had that Mr. Lovestrangle provide some copies of the email with those thread. He never provided them for me, so I said we can not take those threats as fact. Still with concerned DS members private-messaged Irma-Talia that this incident was being exposed on DeadSkirts, she apparently started to feel the community pressure that prevents most producers from surviving it they are being dishonest.

According to Mr. Lovestrangle, Irma has now contacted him and now Lovestrangle says he has agreed for a re-scheduling of a shoot of his custom with a different model. Yet in the meantime, Lovestrangle only has a promise, and he does not have his refund. Lovestangle is still complaining right this second, that Irma does not answer her emails in timely fashion and he has been unable to look over a possible replacement model. I just don't want to hear that 2 weeks from now, he has no product (video) , no refund. You exposed the incident I told him, so let's lock her down to her word, and if she does not come through it will be a black mark against her company for all to see. Like I said earlier. No custom producer in the fantasy female death fetish industry can survive without out having some reppoort with the message forums in our community. If a custom producer has any improprieties, from low filming standards to total dishonesty and crookedness will be exposed, and it is very effiective :yes:

Let's Looks At Some Possible Legitimate Excuses
"121 fantasies" (Irma-Talia team) has an advertising permit with DeadSkirts. They don't have a black mark against them yet. Then again, they really have no record with us, because I knew Irma had to produce some xxx-porn first to build her business up first. I told her she is is always welcome to post her 'fetish-only' video products on DeadSkirts. The business never got good enough in her eyes to start posting her limited fetish-only video on DS, even though it was up to her. :huh:

Now what about "121 fantasies" today, now? It's not looking good overall for the company. Normally in the top ten on the xxx-porn broker site Nichie..you could find her drifting around in the top ten. Now the company has drifted completely out of the top 25 sites. Something is not going right with the company for sure. Then there are health concerns. I mean serious health concern with maybe the ultimate factor behind all of this. I think Irma need to either make a public statement of get a cordial friend to make it for her, because even though our heart goes out for her, we want every member to have the full unfettered informed choice of weather or not to order a custom from Irma-Talia and there "121 fantasy company".

The ChrisB Connection
Sometimes going under the alias of Chris X, he also has no black marks against him after being banned from deadskirts for 4 years and 2 months for making threats. ChrisB aka ChrisX has a direct connection and he's right there in town, next to the company, "121 fantasies". ChrisB/ChrisX was told by me, he may advertise his "non-xxx-porn" videos only on DeadSkirts but of all the bragging about all (not much) the fetish only products aside from the xxx-porn he makes, he has only advertised 4 videos since returning. :noway: Also he and the Irma-Talia team are the only producers that show a tendany of refusing to answer their legit communcations by webmaster like me, and their even very own customers. I told Chris B, he does have be a coward, if he wants to talk he can, if he does not want to talk...no need to block me...just say stop, and I will.

I am very glad to provide advertising space for the overwhelming majority of producers who are honest, cordial, full of integrity, professionalism, and who answer their e-mail communications. Those DS producers include Michelle (ChokeChamber), Mayra and her beautiful Hispanic models, Sophie (an adorable European doll), John, Bluestone, BigJohn (dabbles in some porn nowadays). You may be disappointed with some of their productions sometimes but they will never rip you off..

Anyway that's it for now. We are going to see what is going to happen with this latest promise from "121 fantasies' and what Mr. Lovestrangle reports. I

Geno (the owner DeadSkirts.Com)

(Name of producer 121 Fantasies corrected by FF Admin on August 14th, 2017.)
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Re: Member complaint against 123 fantasies

Post by Geno »

Well one small step we have to give to the Irma/Talia company of the graphic 121 Fantasies store. It not much, but their first positive start. The Irma, Talia team came out for their company and claim they are doing customs with a delay OR if the customer wants, he can have a refund. Our DS member (Lovestrangle) and publically and privately that he wants to take them up their offer for a refund. So, on Friday, August 18, 2017 Lovestrange wrote the Talia part of the team and she said she would let "the boss" (Irma) know.

I will point out that Talia is equally responsible for the conduct of that company. After all, if my company offers a customer a refund, and I relay that promise to the boss and he does not come through, ......then I won't work from him.

My advice to 121-Fantasy company is to give our member back his money as promised in the offer, so we (DeadSkirts) management can back off and not have this as permanent highlighted mark against them for the 1,000 of fetishers that review our board. We understand that often with these type of producers and what they do, there are often health concerns that can slow them down, but those are not legal excuses. A person pays for a product or service, he or she in entitled to get just that, or a refund.

At this time our DS member is waiting for a reply from them , public or private in which they should give us a DATE of refund. Not a general a.s.a.p. excuse.

Geno (the owner of DS)

The 121 Fantasies doesn't have to appear on DS (they do have an account with DS), but they should appear in public somewhere. It would be the fastest way to get full public credit. You may have heard rumors put out by them they don't go to DS because their aren't enough women over there, or the critics are too hard. All of that is not true.

The real reason is money. Since Irma of 121 Fantasies is dependent on Porn sales, she/they really can't make any money by posting the fetish-only films that lack the quality our member are used to seeing. Thus Irma asked the question... Why go to DS when they will not let us post our porn videos there? That's fine, but we do have two porn producers on DS who are welcome advertisers because they post their fetish-only videos there. You can see all their video porn, or fetish, when you visit their stores on the links there.


(Name of producer 121 Fantasies corrected by FF Admin on August 14th, 2017.)
Geno
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Re: Member complaint against 121 fantasies

Post by Geno »

Well I heard from FF / DS member Chris B of Chris Corners yesterday in the e-mail over this debacle. Unlike the physically threats and rampant profanity he spoke to our DS member (Lovestrangle). It was only a "hit and run" post in which he said that I was the worst person he ever met. I did met him back in 2011 near LAX (Los Angeles International Airport). Between his toothless diatribe, he did verify that FF member "Irma" was giving up 121 Fantasies and getting out of the porn business and all video business.

In the meantime, Chris B continues to be very rude and cuss out the very few customers left over that trusted Irma enough to pay her in advance. Irma is just as culpable because she is allowing him to behave in that way with customers she may no longer care about. Here is a few of those e-mails sent to me by our customer in which is was verbally abused.
(Lovestrangle).

Chris B. to Lovestrangle --- I am not your buddy. You went about it the wrong way, and after the shoes were late to arrive you went behind Irma back like a little bitch. You are the low life. Ordering fantasies of killing a woman and in real life being a misogynist prick. f**k you. Get bent. At this point you will never see a dime, only your "custom" You wanted (script details deleted)........Ill have that wrapped up in no time.

Chris B. to Lovestrangle Sure, whatever the f**k you want to call it you pansy. I can't believe what I have read between what you emailed Irma, what you ran around behind her and told Talia, and your uneducated spew on DS. f**k off!

Chris B. to Lovestrangle ----Sure and you did what most bitch punks would do and run tell your daddy instead of waiting a few days. Your $368 is not even worthy of this discussion. Lame ass!


What Chris B and Irma fail to understand that in the Fantasy Female Death Community members put with a lot, pirates, being exposed, harassment by outsiders, job loss, companion loss, and so on. There is one thing they have never tolerated, and that is dishonest producers. The members of this community won't tolerate the kind of crooked behavior that 121 Fantasies has displayed recently. My 19 years in the Fantasy Female Death Fetish community, 11 year of owning a major forum I have only seen about 5 unscrupulous producers that were all run out of town on rails. No one here puts up money and does not get a refund or product.

I mean video production whether fetish-only or porn, is a business like any other, people can make big mistakes along the way, the may even be enough to shut the business down. That can mean no refunds and no products for while. What do you as owner then, you ask? You 'always' be honest and up front. You don't do like Irma does, and go around promising refunds you have either no intention of providing, or withdrawing your offers of a refunds, just because the customer is showing impatience. You word is you bond with the community. If you don't keep it, they will find.

I have heard the stories of Irma not taking care of herself and suffering health problems, but it can't have cuss-mouth like Chris B to speak rudely to your customers. You can instead have a cordial civilized person to speak with your clients and explain the reasons why you can not keep your obligations, and give them some definite time frames of whether or not they will see a refund or product.

That's why on DeadSkirts, it is posted right there on the board, if they encounter a dishonest death fetish producer that is making up excuses, or in other words, not providing a product they paid for, then report them even if they don't have an ad permit with DS. Report them anyway.

I am not a custom producer. If I was, I would strictly fetish-only and even on the very DS board, you could post a complaint against me, if I did not come through with any promised made to you by me. I would respond cordially and even if you got angry and show impatience I won't withdrawn refund offers I promised, nor would I offer you the video a much lower quality like you see above. It is the same way with Bluestone right here. He hand taken complaints against his production company when a FF member has posted it right here. Bluestone was upfront a straight about it and told him what he can, and can not do. I would be the same way with DS.

Anyway, our member is currently being offered a lower quality video or being pulled from the first in line to get a refund, to a last in line. In either case, no dates or times for this happening has been given to him by ChrisB or Irma.

Geno :(
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Re: Member complaint against 121 fantasies

Post by LoveStare »

Appreciate the heads up on this.
nor would I offer you the video a much lower quality like you see above.
I don't understand what you mean, I think you may have forgotten to include a section.

Personally I try not to judge before hearing both sides. Though I definitely agree that Chris should have remained calm and professional about this, certain things he says:
I can't believe what I have read between what you emailed Irma, what you ran around behind her and told Talia...
..has me curious. Of course neither you nor LoveStrangle are obliged to disclose those emails sent to Irma/Chris, but I, for one, wouldn't mind hearing his side of the story. Maybe I'm just in denial... I do really enjoy their videos.

It seems like maybe this could have been handled better from both ends. Regardless, thanks for the warning.
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Re: Member complaint against 121 fantasies

Post by Geno »

LoveStare. Are you are telling us you can vouch for the quality of the "121 Fantasies Co."? Really? You really liked their stuff when Irma was producing it at "121 Fantasies" eh? .......

That is nice, but are not here to report on what they might have done right, we are reporting on what they have done wrong in accepting pay and not providing service , or a video,to this very moment, and failing to come up with a refund date" that was promised to our community member.

Chris B. of ChrisCorner told our cheated DS member he is tempted to make the custom video for him, but had stated if he does make it, it would be of lower quality. LoveStrange will have to ask Chris B. about how he intends to make a poor quality video for the custom. All I am saying is that I would never offer a lower quality video as a producer.

When you make terrorist threats or you are going to cuss everyone out in the e-mail, you might as well make it public. Remember Chris B. is part of this FF board. He posts right here on FF. Chris B. has a advertising account right here. If you really want to hear his side of the story, then ask him to stop hiding under his bed, and come out in the open and discuss this.

So far we beleve our DeadSkirts member over Chris B. and his cohort Irma, because the customer has made his charges of no video, no refund, and no time frame, and it the news has spread over three board, and Chris B nor Irma has specified what they are going do, nor exactly when are they going to do it.

Sincerely Geno
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Re: Member complaint against 121 fantasies

Post by LoveStare »

LoveStare. Are you are telling us...
I'm telling you I really enjoy their videos, that's it. Don't read too much into it.

And I completely agree the situation has been handled poorly. All I can judge at the moment is ChrisB's demeanor. I do hope to hear from his side of the situation as I can't imagine things escalated like that without some wrongdoing on LoveStrangle's part. Of course, this still does damage the integrity of their customs department.

Thanks again for bringing it to our attention, do keep us updated.
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Re: Member complaint against 121 fantasies

Post by Geno »

LoveStrange wrote:I can't imagine things escalated like that without some wrongdoing on LoveStrangle's part.
Surely, LoveStrange your imagination is greater than that. I am sure you can imagine situations where LoveStrangle has done nothing wrong and due the unprofessionalism and lack of integrity by Irma and Chris B. this situation has evolved into what it is today.

(Talia, a laid off co-producer from 121 Fantasies posted this publically on FN..)
"It came as a surprise to learn that some conversations with a negative tone had started in other places. We've been in constant contact directly with customers (either Irma or myself), keeping them updated, offering clear reassurance, and working out whatever solutions are best for them, be that filming with another actress, or refunding their custom funds if they preferred that. Our hope always is to find a way to make a great film that a client will love, or make sure their money is returned so our customer feels they were well treated."

Irma is the owner of "121 Fantasies' and therefore is responsible for the actions of her spokespersons whether is be "Talia" or Christopher Brown. If you look at her FN public statement carefully you can see it just makes general claims of being professional, and making promises, but in reality none of this has come true for our paying community member. He got tired of the waiting and stalls and flat out asked for a refund of his money, (as offered by them) and he never got it. Irma then allow Chris B to take over the spokesperson for "121 Fantasies" co., and he shows his worth by cussing out the client, making a vague teases of making a low quality video fo him, and ultimately made a threat to attack him in an email (now public) if he got within arms reach of the customer. Chris B has a long history of a violent temper on DS. He got extremely bitter at one time when we banned porn products he stayed away from DS for more than 4 years..on his own.

The only one to post publically from "121..." to this day on this current situation, has been Miss "Talia" (a former co producer recently laid off by Irma -the owner), and the only criticism of Mr. Lovestrangle they have claimed is that he is an impatient customer. The only complaint is that after months of waiting, he does not accept phrases like "we will have your custom ready ASAP (as soon a possible)." or " for those customers we will have a refund ready IF that is what they prefer, with provided a time frame.

Now, LoveStrange, you are asking if the conduct of Irma and Chris Brown in which they are refusing to pay the refund they have promised the client, hurt their custom department? According to Chris Brown, the 121 Fantasies company is not producing any new videos and is going out of business. Irma will be quitting he said. Their custom department alright. Meanwhile we are still awaiting an appearance by Christopher B. on Femme Fatalities, or DeadSkirts, or even FN. All boards are covered for their responses. It can only help if they come forward and answer some questions to here more of their side. No one can force them out of hiding. We can only wait.

Like I said earlier, the reason all this is being exposed, is not because a producer may be putting out poor quality products, bad lighting, bad acting, shakey camera, poor costuming, scrawny models, and so forth. That is fine. The community does not mind that so much. The one thing they have never accepted, is dishonesty on the part of the custom producers.

Geno :cool:
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